Title: ATP Masters Cup Information
Gav - November 5, 2007 08:57 PM (GMT)

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Tenez - November 7, 2007 10:36 AM (GMT)
Federer, Davydenko, Roddick, Gonzales
Nadal, Djokovic, Ferrer, Gasquet
Easier on Fed obviously!
Gav - November 7, 2007 10:58 AM (GMT)
Interesting groups. Do we know for definite that Roddick will be playing now?
mightyjeditribble - November 7, 2007 11:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tenez @ Nov 7 2007, 11:36 AM) |
Federer, Davydenko, Roddick, Gonzales
Nadal, Djokovic, Ferrer, Gasquet
Easier on Fed obviously! |
Hmm. I must say when I saw these groups I was rather disappointed - it does look as though Fed got it rather easy. I would have liked to have seen at least one of Djoko and Gasquet in his group. Of course, if Roddick *did* drop out, and Nalbandian was in, that would spice things up a little bit ... but I have not seen any suggestions recently that that is going to happen. :shrug:
Andy did give Rog a mighty scare at Shanghai last year ... but then he was on a bit of an ascendancy, before being slapped down by Roger in the AO. I wouldn't be surprised if Djoko came out on top in the Gold group; anyway it's difficult to see beyond him and Nadal coming out of the Gold group, unless Gasquet manages to spring a surprise (unlikely imo).
In the Red group, the second place is much more open - I can see any of the three guys coming through.
Tenez - November 7, 2007 11:36 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Gav @ Nov 7 2007, 11:58 AM) |
| Interesting groups. Do we know for definite that Roddick will be playing now? |
No I don't but those kinds of news are usually left out to the last minute for ticket booking purpose.
Tenez - November 7, 2007 11:39 AM (GMT)
I am quite happy with the grouping on my side and even more so if Nalby ends up replacing Roddick.
Having the 3 young guns in the same group is great and I have always been in favour of having nber 2 and 3 fighting for the right to face number 1. I dislike the 1v3 and 2v4 alternative.
vivahate - November 7, 2007 12:01 PM (GMT)
Nalbandian is taking a pass as the alternate. Robredo will take his place.
Big Al - November 7, 2007 12:11 PM (GMT)
I hope the surface is a lot faster than in Paris.
Dinky Jo - November 7, 2007 12:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (vivahate @ Nov 7 2007, 12:01 PM) |
| Nalbandian is taking a pass as the alternate. Robredo will take his place. |
:angry:
that's annoying.......
Wise_Analyst - November 7, 2007 12:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (vivahate @ Nov 7 2007, 12:01 PM) |
| Nalbandian is taking a pass as the alternate. Robredo will take his place. |
| QUOTE |
Nalbandian no participaría del Masters
Así lo deslizó esta noche su entrenador, Martín Jaite, quien al arribar al país sostuvo: "No sé si va a ir a Shanghai, no creo que vaya". El cordobés se ubica en el noveno puesto de la Carrera de Campeones, que lo clasifica como primer suplente. Luego de que Nalbandian se coronara en París, enseguida se empezó a especular con las chances de que el unquillense fuera al Masters de Shanghai. Que no va Roddick, que se baja Davydenko, mucho se dijo al respecto. Martín Jaite, entrenador de David, casi que le puso punto final a las hipótesis: "No sé si va a ir, no creo que vaya", respondió cuando le consultaron cuántas chances tenía su pupilo de llevarse el torneo.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/11/05/um/m-01534611.htm |
Martin Jaite, Nalbandian's coach, revealing that he probably won't go to the Masters, even if there is a withdrawal. The article also states that Roddick and Davydenko are both unlikely to pull out, which is a good thing - I was hoping for Roddick to withdraw so that Nalbandian could replace him, but now I'm praying he doesn't, to prevent Robredo sneaking in.
Anyway, Group 1 is desperately poor. I don't even want to talk about it.
Group 2 though should be interesting... hopefully Ferrer will be the whipping boy and we'll see an entertaining three way fight between Rafa, Djoko and Gasquet for qualification. I think that if Gasquet doesn't freeze, he should beat Rafa and qualify along with Djokovic.
Gav - November 7, 2007 12:19 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Nov 7 2007, 12:15 PM) |
| QUOTE (vivahate @ Nov 7 2007, 12:01 PM) | | Nalbandian is taking a pass as the alternate. Robredo will take his place. |
:angry:
that's annoying.......
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That's bloody annoying indeed. I thought with Nalby in this kind of form he would have loved to have continued it if he had the chance... :angry: :angry: He probably deserves a doughnut break though after the last few busy weeks!
Tennisveritas - November 7, 2007 12:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Wise_Analyst @ Nov 7 2007, 01:16 PM) |
| QUOTE (vivahate @ Nov 7 2007, 12:01 PM) | | Nalbandian is taking a pass as the alternate. Robredo will take his place. |
| QUOTE | Nalbandian no participaría del Masters
Así lo deslizó esta noche su entrenador, Martín Jaite, quien al arribar al país sostuvo: "No sé si va a ir a Shanghai, no creo que vaya". El cordobés se ubica en el noveno puesto de la Carrera de Campeones, que lo clasifica como primer suplente. Luego de que Nalbandian se coronara en París, enseguida se empezó a especular con las chances de que el unquillense fuera al Masters de Shanghai. Que no va Roddick, que se baja Davydenko, mucho se dijo al respecto. Martín Jaite, entrenador de David, casi que le puso punto final a las hipótesis: "No sé si va a ir, no creo que vaya", respondió cuando le consultaron cuántas chances tenía su pupilo de llevarse el torneo.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/11/05/um/m-01534611.htm |
Martin Jaite, Nalbandian's coach, revealing that he probably won't go to the Masters, even if there is a withdrawal. The article also states that Roddick and Davydenko are both unlikely to pull out, which is a good thing - I was hoping for Roddick to withdraw so that Nalbandian could replace him, but now I'm praying he doesn't, to prevent Robredo sneaking in.
Anyway, Group 1 is desperately poor. I don't even want to talk about it. :lmaao: ..Sound like a weak era group.. :lmaao:
Group 2 though should be interesting... hopefully Ferrer will be the whipping boy and we'll see an entertaining three way fight between Rafa, Djoko and Gasquet for qualification. I think that if Gasquet doesn't freeze, he should beat Rafa and qualify along with Djokovic.
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roflmao Poor Robredo..I personally find the guy boring to watch but still a very honest worker: He has few weapons available but still he is always there and trying to do his best..I really believe people are to strong with him in general...
Said that I agree group 1 should be quite easy for FED..To be honest I am wondering if he will be concentrate enough and he will not take this first round as being too easy (which would be in any case a mistake..AROD is able to challenge him in a 3 sets match as well as Davy IMO)...
The other group is very interesting and open..I hope Djoko will be able to perform as well as Gasquet..These are the two players I will support the most..But Rafa is there and he will be difficult to past for both of them..And Ferrer is far from being out as well: Great matches to be expected... :rolleyes:
liam_valid - November 7, 2007 01:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tenez @ Nov 7 2007, 11:36 AM) |
| QUOTE (Gav @ Nov 7 2007, 11:58 AM) | | Interesting groups. Do we know for definite that Roddick will be playing now? |
No I don't but those kinds of news are usually left out to the last minute for ticket booking purpose.
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Im not sure, i would much rather pay to see Nalbandian giving Fed a match than Fed whipping Roddicks arse-again
Brakkus - November 7, 2007 03:33 PM (GMT)
Federer's group should be easy enough for him,but I think his real challenge will be the semi and the final.
Despite his record in majors this year,I really feel he needs to a reclaim his aura a bit.He's vunerable to a growing queue of 3-4 players who can match him,although not with the regularity to suggest his undoing as the elite player.
What I'm trying to say is that this tournament will set the tone for 2008,when Roger will probably come under the most intense pressure for the first time in 4 years.
T01 - November 7, 2007 04:09 PM (GMT)
I am glad as Roddick has a shot to get to the Semis at least if not the finals..
MrInvisible - November 7, 2007 04:33 PM (GMT)
Federer and Djokovic will win their groups - battle for 2nd place should be quite evenly contested in each group. Davydenko, providing he's in right frame of mind, will give Roddick and Gonzo a good run for their money, whilst Gasquet can beat Nadal away from clay, and Ferrer will fight to the end.
Nick Havoc - November 7, 2007 04:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Wise_Analyst @ Nov 7 2007, 07:16 AM) |
| Group 2 though should be interesting... hopefully Ferrer will be the whipping boy and we'll see an entertaining three way fight between Rafa, Djoko and Gasquet for qualification. I think that if Gasquet doesn't freeze, he should beat Rafa and qualify along with Djokovic. |
We'll see. Gasquet has never beaten Nadal, Djokovic or Ferrer. :unsure: He is playing pretty well recently, though.
Whipping-boy Ferrer, on the other hand, has wins this year over all three of the others.
greasepipe - November 7, 2007 06:32 PM (GMT)
....but does anyone know if the "Tenez predictions" are out?
look what i found;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivelive/F21485...&skip=0&show=20I wonder if this (pre FO) prediction of another poster will come true;
:whistle:
| QUOTE (greasepipe @ Apr 3 2007, 03:29 PM) |
BUT; By the time Mats talks about balls again, Trolls asking who's the real no. 1, Rafa smells a take-over, Roger will win his fifth Wimbledon title. At the end of 2007 -3 slams under his belt- after he demolished Djoko in the YEC final, tennis fans throughout the world will be asking themselves; "will he win RG next year?" |
;)
Tenez - November 7, 2007 06:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (greasepipe @ Nov 7 2007, 07:32 PM) |
....but does anyone know if the "Tenez predictions" are out? look what i found; http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivelive/F21485...&skip=0&show=20
I wonder if this (pre FO) prediction of another poster will come true; :whistle:
| QUOTE (greasepipe @ Apr 3 2007, 03:29 PM) | BUT; By the time Mats talks about balls again, Trolls asking who's the real no. 1, Rafa smells a take-over, Roger will win his fifth Wimbledon title. At the end of 2007 -3 slams under his belt- after he demolished Djoko in the YEC final, tennis fans throughout the world will be asking themselves; "will he win RG next year?" |
;)
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Excellent GP!!! No prediction from me this year. The chances of getting it right again are close to nill so I'd rather keep my -good- reputation spotless! :P
Dark_Necrofear™ - November 8, 2007 08:44 AM (GMT)
Federer has got an easy group and should remain undefeated for another year in the group stages.He does however have an hard semi final lurking with either Novak or Nadal given how that group turns out.Nadal on the other hand has got it quite hard.If the surface is as fast as last year then he might fall short in the group stages.However Gasquet,Mr Choke Deluxe is another 1 thats unpredictable. :)
All in all the tournament is looking pretty ordinary! :unsure:
Pebs - November 8, 2007 04:31 PM (GMT)
Oh I dont know... I think it could be interesting in the gold group at least Dark...
from the Red, Fed, and I think A-Rod to make the semis - Davy would have been a good bet till he got so demoralised at having to watch his every step that he will be good for nothing..
The Gold group, as already suggested, is the one to watch and I really dont know who to pick... I would say Nadal and Djoko but I am not sure its as cut and dried as all that so will try to follow the scoreboard on some of those matches for sure!
Tennisveritas - November 8, 2007 04:48 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Pebs @ Nov 8 2007, 05:31 PM) |
Oh I dont know... I think it could be interesting in the gold group at least Dark...
from the Red, Fed, and I think A-Rod to make the semis - Davy would have been a good bet till he got so demoralised at having to watch his every step that he will be good for nothing..
The Gold group, as already suggested, is the one to watch and I really dont know who to pick... I would say Nadal and Djoko but I am not sure its as cut and dried as all that so will try to follow the scoreboard on some of those matches for sure! |
:ok: :ok:
More in FED group..well you will never know...Can we really exclude the possibility of a fire Gonzo, repeating the AO run?? Or even an AROD at his top just back from a long rest??
It will be interesting in any case..Even more because FED does not seem to be at his best at the moment so..
:D :D
Pebs - November 8, 2007 04:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tennisveritas @ Nov 8 2007, 04:48 PM) |
| QUOTE (Pebs @ Nov 8 2007, 05:31 PM) | Oh I dont know... I think it could be interesting in the gold group at least Dark...
from the Red, Fed, and I think A-Rod to make the semis - Davy would have been a good bet till he got so demoralised at having to watch his every step that he will be good for nothing..
The Gold group, as already suggested, is the one to watch and I really dont know who to pick... I would say Nadal and Djoko but I am not sure its as cut and dried as all that so will try to follow the scoreboard on some of those matches for sure! |
:ok: :ok:
More in FED group..well you will never know...Can we really exclude the possibility of a fire Gonzo, repeating the AO run?? Or even an AROD at his top just back from a long rest??
It will be interesting in any case..Even more because FED does not seem to be at his best at the moment so..
:D :D
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Even with A-Rod all rested I still think Fed will spank him TV... I guess the main contention for Roddick will be Gonzo - but I am still going with Fed and Roddick to be the two to come out of that group..
like you say, its interesting with Fed not seemingly at his best at the moment - but that will be demonstrated, one way or another, when he hits the semis and runs into.... well, I have no idea! I know I would like it to be Djoko and Gasquet but... wide open that one!
Gav - November 8, 2007 06:22 PM (GMT)
Something's wrong.... I don't see Boris in either group? :shrug:
Somebody sort that out and get him in so he can win.... while I get my pipe and slippers....
mightyjeditribble - November 8, 2007 09:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Gav @ Nov 8 2007, 07:22 PM) |
| Something's wrong.... I don't see Boris in either group? :shrug: |
That is strange ... :unsure:
Dark_Necrofear™ - November 9, 2007 06:43 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Pebs @ Nov 8 2007, 06:31 PM) |
Oh I dont know... I think it could be interesting in the gold group at least Dark...
from the Red, Fed, and I think A-Rod to make the semis - Davy would have been a good bet till he got so demoralised at having to watch his every step that he will be good for nothing..
The Gold group, as already suggested, is the one to watch and I really dont know who to pick... I would say Nadal and Djoko but I am not sure its as cut and dried as all that so will try to follow the scoreboard on some of those matches for sure! |
Its looking a bit plain love :( You are right though,the gold group is the one to watch and its going to be interesting to have Nadal and Djokovic squaring off in the group stages.Its going to be hard for Nadal though.Interesting times ahead ;)
:D
Dark_Necrofear™ - November 9, 2007 06:48 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
Even with A-Rod all rested I still think Fed will spank him TV... I guess the main contention for Roddick will be Gonzo - but I am still going with Fed and Roddick to be the two to come out of that group..
like you say, its interesting with Fed not seemingly at his best at the moment - but that will be demonstrated, one way or another, when he hits the semis and runs into.... well, I have no idea! I know I would like it to be Djoko and Gasquet but... wide open that one! |
I have to agree that Roddick is another one of Federers bitches and will spank him at will regardless.I mean look at Kooyong this year Federer was playing experimental tennis and lost in 3.Then Aussie Open came and Roddick got a tennis lesson of note.
In terms of the semis especially for Federer,its going to be a tough one.I would have liked for Novak to be in his group and then for them to meet in the final.However as things turn out,the winner of the winner of the Federer semi,assuming he tops the group, will be poised to win the title.
:ok:
SuperBRAT - November 10, 2007 03:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Big Al @ Nov 7 2007, 12:11 PM) |
| I hope the surface is a lot faster than in Paris. |
So do I. Not sure though. It's a medium paced surface is all I know, taraflex.
dl04 - November 10, 2007 04:23 PM (GMT)
All i say is dont count out Ferrer. He's an indefatiguable character and if it's a slightly slower court, his uber-solid groundstrokes could ruffel a few feathers. Wont get out of the RR realisticaly, but he'll be a threat nonetheless.
I think Roddick is going to be the ineffectual member of this YEC. His blase schedule post US Open leaves him with zilch match practice. It will become even more apparent against Fed............
Tenez - November 10, 2007 05:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (dl04 @ Nov 10 2007, 05:23 PM) |
All i say is dont count out Ferrer. He's an indefatiguable character and if it's a slightly slower court, his uber-solid groundstrokes could ruffel a few feathers. Wont get out of the RR realisticaly, but he'll be a threat nonetheless.
I think Roddick is going to be the ineffectual member of this YEC. His blase schedule post US Open leaves him with zilch match practice. It will become even more apparent against Fed............ |
Much agree again. :ok:
mightyjeditribble - November 10, 2007 11:27 PM (GMT)
I don't think it's been mentioned, but the groups are pretty much divided by age --- everyone in one group is 25 and over, while in the other group Ferrer is by far the oldest at 25, with Nadal and Gasquet and 21 and Djoko at 20.
Somehow I didn't realize Gasquet was still quite that young. Maybe I've been too harsh on him so far; he seems to be on the way up now. We shall see.
Tenez - November 10, 2007 11:53 PM (GMT)
Good observation.
Yes Gasauet is still young but listening to his Shanghai interview, he does not sound like someone who believes in his chances and it is a shame as he clearly has the talent to beat them all. It is sooooooo frustrating , Apparently when Nadal and Gasquet were juniors, they played a few times and Gasquet had easily the upper hand. Obviously, Nadal, later physical development completely changed the deal while Gasquet had so much pressure from the media from the age of 15 that it may have destroyed his mind. I find it also annoying that he is not given a coach who is himself strong enough to give him confidence back. This is where the French system fails in my view.
Dark_Necrofear™ - November 12, 2007 08:28 AM (GMT)
Well like someone pointed out,dont count out Ferrer.He just spanked Novak yesterday. Interesting indeed.
Gasquet put up a fight but went down anyway.
Nick Havoc - November 13, 2007 02:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Wise_Analyst @ Nov 7 2007, 07:16 AM) |
| Group 2 though should be interesting... hopefully Ferrer will be the whipping boy and we'll see an entertaining three way fight between Rafa, Djoko and Gasquet for qualification. I think that if Gasquet doesn't freeze, he should beat Rafa and qualify along with Djokovic. |
That whipping-boy hope isn't working out too well for you, eh Wise? :P
Gav - November 13, 2007 02:34 PM (GMT)
David Ferrer has just shot up to second favourite for the whole tournament with betfair.
Dark_Necrofear™ - November 13, 2007 02:36 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Nick Havoc @ Nov 13 2007, 04:33 PM) |
| QUOTE (Wise_Analyst @ Nov 7 2007, 07:16 AM) | | Group 2 though should be interesting... hopefully Ferrer will be the whipping boy and we'll see an entertaining three way fight between Rafa, Djoko and Gasquet for qualification. I think that if Gasquet doesn't freeze, he should beat Rafa and qualify along with Djokovic. |
That whipping-boy hope isn't working out too well for you, eh Wise? :P
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He is the whipping boy Nick,he is whipping the players :P
Dinky Jo - November 13, 2007 02:37 PM (GMT)
am i right in thinking that Ferrer will now go through and it'll be between gasquet and Nadal for the second place??? :unsure:
T01 - November 13, 2007 02:40 PM (GMT)
How come BBC have written that Novak is out of the competition? He stillhas to play Nadal? If Ferrer wins against Gasquet then the rest will have only one win per head - Ie: Novak beats Rafa.
Dark_Necrofear™ - November 13, 2007 02:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (T01 @ Nov 13 2007, 04:40 PM) |
| How come BBC have written that Novak is out of the competition? He stillhas to play Nadal? If Ferrer wins against Gasquet then the rest will have only one win per head - Ie: Novak beats Rafa. |
Because he can qualify for the semis He doesnt have any sets won.
Nick Havoc - November 13, 2007 02:43 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Nov 13 2007, 09:37 AM) |
| am i right in thinking that Ferrer will now go through and it'll be between gasquet and Nadal for the second place??? :unsure: |
Not exactly. Depending on the outcome of the last couple matches, you could have Gasquet, Ferrer and Nadal all tied at 2-1 or you could have Djokovic, Gasquet and Nadal all tied at 1-2. I haven't been through analyzing all the tiebreak possibilities, but I don't think Djoko is out or Ferrer in yet for sure.