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Title: XFactor: The Truth About Daniel's Song


SuperBRAT - October 30, 2007 12:56 AM (GMT)
Everyone agrees that although Daniel was not the best singer we've ever seen, he had totally the wrong song on Saturday for his voice, resulting in him going home. Whilst a singer has to be versatile, other contestants had the advantge of better suited songs. He was talking on TV today and there is even more to it than that.

Daniel said he was originally planning to sing Cannonball by Damien Rice, which was a good choice for him having done it before for Louis at Bootcamp. He was then told that he must do a more up-tempo number, and was told he'd do When Doves Cry by Prince, which I must say i wondered why he'd not done it - it was hs audtiion song and he did it fairly well. He rehearsed the song, had dancers booked and everything and then on the day of the show he was advised that 'they" (not Louis but whoever was in charge) wanted him to change the song to Build Me Up Buttercup. He told Louis he thought this would be a bad choice for him but Louis told him not to worry cos everyone loves that song. But it wasn;t daniel's thing and he had little time to rehearse and it bombed,. I must say I wondered hwo come he had no dancers when they were needed in a lively song. He did appear to have nto got to grips with the song either.

Anyway he said that perhaps beign voted off was a blessing in disguise as he'd be able to do his kind fo stuff rather than what he was beign forced into singing. He said soem big industry producers had contacted him and want him to make an album of his own kind of thing. Well good luck to him anyway :ok:

Must say i find this even more shocking as no one todl the truth on X Factor - we were given the impression he'd had the week to rehears the song and he was obviously nto allowed to say that he was unhappy on the show. I feel real sorry for him now and peeved off that the show did this instead fo allowing him to do a song that showcased hsi talents to their best potential. Crazy :wacko: Makes me wonder fi that show has more fo an agenda than I thought ...

SuperBRAT - October 30, 2007 12:04 PM (GMT)
I made a mistake above. When I saw his interview he mentioned that hsi song was changed at the last minute on Saturday night and I took that to mean the night of the show. it was actually at midnight the week before.

Anyway for thos einterested here is his interview. He alos mentions that he thought Simon woudl get rid of him as a. he ha dit in for Louis and b. the show did nto want Sharon to have one act left so early on. If you ask em she deserves no acts cos the 2 she has are rubbish.

http://www.xfactor.tv/news/article/?scid=178

Mo aka Mz O'Hara - October 30, 2007 02:15 PM (GMT)
Hi SB. I read all of the above on teletext last night......his leanings are towards R&B so maybe he will get a deal and be allowed to sing what suits him. All seems a dammed shame if there are agendas like this :( I believe if Alisha is in the bottom 2 again this week...she should go because the public clearly don't like her. You can get some odd voting one week (as we all know :rolleyes: ) but 3 weeks in a row is stating the obvious. :ok:

SuperBRAT - October 30, 2007 02:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Oct 30 2007, 02:15 PM)
Hi SB. I read all of the above on teletext last night......his leanings are towards R&B so maybe he will get a deal and be allowed to sing what suits him. All seems a dammed shame if there are agendas like this :( I believe if Alisha is in the bottom 2 again this week...she should go because the public clearly don't like her. You can get some odd voting one week (as we all know :rolleyes: ) but 3 weeks in a row is stating the obvious. :ok:

Oh I agree! I could understand it if all the acts were so great that it were hard to choose and oen was just nto as popular as the other, but the standard isn't there to say that her ebign in the bottom 2 regulary is a fluke. If Andy were in it I'd get rid of him at all costs - he's just boring and dire if you ask me.

Yes I was quite shocked when i read what he said but I kinda guessed that they would not dare leave Sharon with 1 act. Which is annoying as it shoudl be down to the best acts not the judge's egos. Plus Siomon had a go at louis for the song, but as it turns out they didn't pick that sogn to begin with. I'm starting to feel ti is all a fix at times. They must plan thier actions ahead of the show, with possible bottom 2 scenarios. Daniel Isn't my cup of tea really, but I reckon he'd have been more use than 3-5 of the acts on there.

Mo aka Mz O'Hara - October 30, 2007 04:22 PM (GMT)
Do you know what shocks me the most...after all the auditioning from thousands of wanabees...they end up with a final 12 where half of them, well almost, can't even sing in tune. :o Now, is that down to appalling judgement by the judges at the auditions and boot camp?.. in which case they should be be sent packing next series, or is it down to nerves singing in front of millions of people. Surely from the huge numbers of people they saw, there must be a better 12 than this :blink: :blink: AND I'll say again 'huge' mistake lowering the age range to 14. :tsk: :tsk:

I know the earlier shows are edited, but I have always wondered why they don't allow them at times to sing more than a few bars, including different styles of song...especially at the boot camp to be more certain that their voices have got some versatility and that they are not 'one song singers'. After all there are one or two numbers even I can sing and sound pretty dam good but I couldn't get to the finals of X Factor off the back of them :rolleyes:

SuperBRAT - October 30, 2007 06:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Oct 30 2007, 04:22 PM)
Do you know what shocks me the most...after all the auditioning from thousands of wanabees...they end up with a final 12 where half of them, well almost, can't even sing in tune. :o Now, is that down to appalling judgement by the judges at the auditions and boot camp?.. in which case they should be be sent packing next series, or is it down to nerves singing in front of millions of people. Surely from the huge numbers of people they saw, there must be a better 12 than this :blink: :blink: AND I'll say again 'huge' mistake lowering the age range to 14. :tsk: :tsk:

I know the earlier shows are edited, but I have always wondered why they don't allow them at times to sing more than a few bars, including different styles of song...especially at the boot camp to be more certain that their voices have got some versatility and that they are not 'one song singers'. After all there are one or two numbers even I can sing and sound pretty dam good but I couldn't get to the finals of X Factor off the back of them :rolleyes:

Yeah you are right abotu that. I am a terrible singer, but I can get away moreso with certain types of song. I also knwo a girl who sings one song really well and because every one tells her that is great, she sings other stuff and sound sbloody awful :yikes: I think they look for a certain kind of singer, and are fooled by the odd singer who can hold a money note as it were, but has no rreal uniqueness or nice qulity to their voice in general. And they practice these money notes don't they, and don't always get them right either, or pull them off in other songs.

They got it wrong with loads of people in the auditions I thought. I saw some bad ones go through and some ones that deserved a chance told they were crap. So at Bootcamp, a lot fo their faves did not perfrom well. But form what they had, they STLL picked wrong, and I see no excuse for that as at bootcamp they are really put through their paces. Sharon made a stinker when she picked Emily - she screrwed up on both Bootcamp rounds. It was clear she was not ready and not reliable. There were better singers in her category than that, some girl with braces for a start. And Dani picked wrong with Andy. Therer were two youngsters in there that were better. Rhyd was a great pick though and Leon deserved a chance, although ntoonecessarily a cert at that stage. And the groups! :yikes: Not usre under 16s should be there either. I think soem will do well but generally, they won't cope well - rejection can be a terrible thing at that age - and should be at school. Now we have Sharon sayign Emily has schoolwork so can't practice much. :rolleyes:

I'm not kidding, I have honestly met better singers in real life and people who would not be scared in front of the cameras.

Pebs - October 30, 2007 06:53 PM (GMT)
it was sooooo clear from the outset that Daniel didnt want, like or deserve this song - not surprised to hear it wasnt first or second choice - but why did they change it at all - did I miss that bit?

as for choices made - I remember shaking my head at some choices during bootcamp - couldnt believe some of the ones they turned away... but then, I thought Danni made a bad choice with Rhyd and now I want him to win, so I am prepared to wait and see if they pick up a bit with confidence...

WimbledonAce - October 30, 2007 08:34 PM (GMT)
I read all this on text too, it does not surprise me in the least that there was some rigging going on. I suspect that is why Andy got the song he did too - I mean how ridiculous was that? Daniel would have been great doing Cannonball but typically they wanted to avoid upsetting Mrs O (oh my god have I just called her that???!!!!)
It is so unfair, I know Dan prob wouldn't have won but unfortunately he never got to show himself off in a great light. And then they show the judges having a go about song choice when it was nothing to do with him and Louis! It is very contrived. I think both Dannii and Simon voted tactically. Dannii as less comp for her boys and Simon to apease Sharon. It really sucks!

Mo aka Mz O'Hara - October 31, 2007 11:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Oct 30 2007, 06:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Oct 30 2007, 04:22 PM)
Do you know what shocks me the most...after all the auditioning from thousands of wanabees...they end up with a final 12 where half of them, well almost, can't even sing in tune.  :o  Now, is that down to appalling judgement by the judges at the auditions and boot camp?.. in which case they should be be sent packing next series,  or is it down to nerves singing in front of millions of people.  Surely from the huge numbers of people they saw, there must be a better 12 than this  :blink:  :blink: AND I'll say again 'huge' mistake lowering the age range to 14.  :tsk:  :tsk: 

I know the earlier shows are edited, but I have always wondered why they don't allow them at times to sing more than a few bars, including different styles of song...especially at the boot camp to be more certain that their voices have got some versatility and that they are not 'one song singers'.  After all there are one or two numbers even I can sing and sound pretty dam good but I couldn't get to the finals of X Factor off the back of them  :rolleyes:

Yeah you are right abotu that. I am a terrible singer, but I can get away moreso with certain types of song. I also knwo a girl who sings one song really well and because every one tells her that is great, she sings other stuff and sound sbloody awful :yikes: I think they look for a certain kind of singer, and are fooled by the odd singer who can hold a money note as it were, but has no rreal uniqueness or nice qulity to their voice in general. And they practice these money notes don't they, and don't always get them right either, or pull them off in other songs.

They got it wrong with loads of people in the auditions I thought. I saw some bad ones go through and some ones that deserved a chance told they were crap. So at Bootcamp, a lot fo their faves did not perfrom well. But form what they had, they STLL picked wrong, and I see no excuse for that as at bootcamp they are really put through their paces. Sharon made a stinker when she picked Emily - she screrwed up on both Bootcamp rounds. It was clear she was not ready and not reliable. There were better singers in her category than that, some girl with braces for a start. And Dani picked wrong with Andy. Therer were two youngsters in there that were better. Rhyd was a great pick though and Leon deserved a chance, although ntoonecessarily a cert at that stage. And the groups! :yikes: Not usre under 16s should be there either. I think soem will do well but generally, they won't cope well - rejection can be a terrible thing at that age - and should be at school. Now we have Sharon sayign Emily has schoolwork so can't practice much. :rolleyes:

I'm not kidding, I have honestly met better singers in real life and people who would not be scared in front of the cameras.

and lets not forget, the groups were put together in the final stages....what the heck does that say about the more established groups that auditioned, surely one of them should have made the final stages. Do you know, I have a strange feeling that they are looking to launch a group from this show as we haven't had a group winner have we (close call with G4 I know) but maybe with the failings of some of the previous solo winners and finalists, it is thought its time to launch a group :shrug:

Wimby, dont call Sharon Mrs O again, you sound like a demented fan :o :o

BIG-TODGER - October 31, 2007 07:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Oct 30 2007, 06:04 AM)
I made a mistake above. When I saw his interview he mentioned that hsi song was changed at the last minute on Saturday night and I took that to mean the night of the show. it was actually at midnight the week before.

Anyway for thos einterested here is his interview. He alos mentions that he thought Simon woudl get rid of him as a. he ha dit in for Louis and b. the show did nto want Sharon to have one act left so early on. If you ask em she deserves no acts cos the 2 she has are rubbish.

http://www.xfactor.tv/news/article/?scid=178

The bottom line is Daniel didin't want to sing the song he was given, Louis as his mentor shouldn't have help foist a song Daniel neither liked or could sing well (could anyone have done well with that song-hardly a good choice to showcase any voice). Louis is a best a twit for advocating the song, it's not rocket science getting a song more suited to Daniel's voice.
Slow ballads or mid paced songs that allow the voice to shine work best on X factor, up beat dance numbers hardly ever really show any performer off at their best-even if the performer does them quite well, i don't think the public give then as much weight as they do to the more emotionally charged numbers.

I agree they probably chose Daniel so Sharon wasn't left with one acts and as you say both of them are crap-mind it's just a matter of time before she has none.

Oh and Sharon's persona is really starting to irritate me, i don't think she has what it takes-she seems unprofessional to me, a bit of camp banter and a few half baked comments don't do it-she should go too.


SuperBRAT - November 1, 2007 09:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Oct 31 2007, 11:52 AM)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Oct 30 2007, 06:36 PM)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Oct 30 2007, 04:22 PM)
Do you know what shocks me the most...after all the auditioning from thousands of wanabees...they end up with a final 12 where half of them, well almost, can't even sing in tune.  :o   Now, is that down to appalling judgement by the judges at the auditions and boot camp?.. in which case they should be be sent packing next series,  or is it down to nerves singing in front of millions of people.  Surely from the huge numbers of people they saw, there must be a better 12 than this  :blink:  :blink: AND I'll say again 'huge' mistake lowering the age range to 14.  :tsk:  :tsk: 

I know the earlier shows are edited, but I have always wondered why they don't allow them at times to sing more than a few bars, including different styles of song...especially at the boot camp to be more certain that their voices have got some versatility and that they are not 'one song singers'.  After all there are one or two numbers even I can sing and sound pretty dam good but I couldn't get to the finals of X Factor off the back of them  :rolleyes:

Yeah you are right abotu that. I am a terrible singer, but I can get away moreso with certain types of song. I also knwo a girl who sings one song really well and because every one tells her that is great, she sings other stuff and sound sbloody awful :yikes: I think they look for a certain kind of singer, and are fooled by the odd singer who can hold a money note as it were, but has no rreal uniqueness or nice qulity to their voice in general. And they practice these money notes don't they, and don't always get them right either, or pull them off in other songs.

They got it wrong with loads of people in the auditions I thought. I saw some bad ones go through and some ones that deserved a chance told they were crap. So at Bootcamp, a lot fo their faves did not perfrom well. But form what they had, they STLL picked wrong, and I see no excuse for that as at bootcamp they are really put through their paces. Sharon made a stinker when she picked Emily - she screrwed up on both Bootcamp rounds. It was clear she was not ready and not reliable. There were better singers in her category than that, some girl with braces for a start. And Dani picked wrong with Andy. Therer were two youngsters in there that were better. Rhyd was a great pick though and Leon deserved a chance, although ntoonecessarily a cert at that stage. And the groups! :yikes: Not usre under 16s should be there either. I think soem will do well but generally, they won't cope well - rejection can be a terrible thing at that age - and should be at school. Now we have Sharon sayign Emily has schoolwork so can't practice much. :rolleyes:

I'm not kidding, I have honestly met better singers in real life and people who would not be scared in front of the cameras.

and lets not forget, the groups were put together in the final stages....what the heck does that say about the more established groups that auditioned, surely one of them should have made the final stages. Do you know, I have a strange feeling that they are looking to launch a group from this show as we haven't had a group winner have we (close call with G4 I know) but maybe with the failings of some of the previous solo winners and finalists, it is thought its time to launch a group :shrug:

Wimby, dont call Sharon Mrs O again, you sound like a demented fan :o :o

Absolutely Mo. I was discussing the same. And it made me laugh how they pretended to come up with that idea as a spontenaeous thing - reckon it was rigged. And that girl form Hope who they got rid of was the oen with the most attitude who stood out most - but she did nto get on with oen fo them and caused an argument so I reckon they got shut to ensure that the groups did well. Hope are a joke.

SuperBRAT - November 1, 2007 09:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BIG-TODGER @ Oct 31 2007, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Oct 30 2007, 06:04 AM)
I made a mistake above. When I saw his interview he mentioned that hsi song was changed at the last minute on Saturday night and I took that to mean the night of the show.  it was actually at midnight the week before.

Anyway for thos einterested here is his interview.  He alos mentions that he thought Simon woudl get rid of him as a. he ha dit in for Louis and b. the show did nto want Sharon to have one act left so early on.  If you ask em she deserves no acts cos the 2 she has are rubbish.

http://www.xfactor.tv/news/article/?scid=178

The bottom line is Daniel didin't want to sing the song he was given, Louis as his mentor shouldn't have help foist a song Daniel neither liked or could sing well (could anyone have done well with that song-hardly a good choice to showcase any voice). Louis is a best a twit for advocating the song, it's not rocket science getting a song more suited to Daniel's voice.
Slow ballads or mid paced songs that allow the voice to shine work best on X factor, up beat dance numbers hardly ever really show any performer off at their best-even if the performer does them quite well, i don't think the public give then as much weight as they do to the more emotionally charged numbers.

I agree they probably chose Daniel so Sharon wasn't left with one acts and as you say both of them are crap-mind it's just a matter of time before she has none.

Oh and Sharon's persona is really starting to irritate me, i don't think she has what it takes-she seems unprofessional to me, a bit of camp banter and a few half baked comments don't do it-she should go too.

Agreed. And Sharon makes me sick, I've moaned abtout her on other threads. I wish she woudl bugger off and take her terrible acts with her.

Mo aka Mz O'Hara - November 2, 2007 01:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Nov 1 2007, 09:07 PM)
QUOTE (BIG-TODGER @ Oct 31 2007, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Oct 30 2007, 06:04 AM)
I made a mistake above. When I saw his interview he mentioned that hsi song was changed at the last minute on Saturday night and I took that to mean the night of the show.  it was actually at midnight the week before.

Anyway for thos einterested here is his interview.  He alos mentions that he thought Simon woudl get rid of him as a. he ha dit in for Louis and b. the show did nto want Sharon to have one act left so early on.  If you ask em she deserves no acts cos the 2 she has are rubbish.

http://www.xfactor.tv/news/article/?scid=178

The bottom line is Daniel didin't want to sing the song he was given, Louis as his mentor shouldn't have help foist a song Daniel neither liked or could sing well (could anyone have done well with that song-hardly a good choice to showcase any voice). Louis is a best a twit for advocating the song, it's not rocket science getting a song more suited to Daniel's voice.
Slow ballads or mid paced songs that allow the voice to shine work best on X factor, up beat dance numbers hardly ever really show any performer off at their best-even if the performer does them quite well, i don't think the public give then as much weight as they do to the more emotionally charged numbers.

I agree they probably chose Daniel so Sharon wasn't left with one acts and as you say both of them are crap-mind it's just a matter of time before she has none.

Oh and Sharon's persona is really starting to irritate me, i don't think she has what it takes-she seems unprofessional to me, a bit of camp banter and a few half baked comments don't do it-she should go too.

Agreed. And Sharon makes me sick, I've moaned abtout her on other threads. I wish she woudl bugger off and take her terrible acts with her.

:unsure: :unsure: have you ? All I have seen before is you regurgitating Brenda B)

:lol:

SuperBRAT - November 2, 2007 03:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mo aka Mz O'Hara @ Nov 2 2007, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Nov 1 2007, 09:07 PM)
QUOTE (BIG-TODGER @ Oct 31 2007, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Oct 30 2007, 06:04 AM)
I made a mistake above. When I saw his interview he mentioned that hsi song was changed at the last minute on Saturday night and I took that to mean the night of the show.  it was actually at midnight the week before.

Anyway for thos einterested here is his interview.  He alos mentions that he thought Simon woudl get rid of him as a. he ha dit in for Louis and b. the show did nto want Sharon to have one act left so early on.  If you ask em she deserves no acts cos the 2 she has are rubbish.

http://www.xfactor.tv/news/article/?scid=178

The bottom line is Daniel didin't want to sing the song he was given, Louis as his mentor shouldn't have help foist a song Daniel neither liked or could sing well (could anyone have done well with that song-hardly a good choice to showcase any voice). Louis is a best a twit for advocating the song, it's not rocket science getting a song more suited to Daniel's voice.
Slow ballads or mid paced songs that allow the voice to shine work best on X factor, up beat dance numbers hardly ever really show any performer off at their best-even if the performer does them quite well, i don't think the public give then as much weight as they do to the more emotionally charged numbers.

I agree they probably chose Daniel so Sharon wasn't left with one acts and as you say both of them are crap-mind it's just a matter of time before she has none.

Oh and Sharon's persona is really starting to irritate me, i don't think she has what it takes-she seems unprofessional to me, a bit of camp banter and a few half baked comments don't do it-she should go too.

Agreed. And Sharon makes me sick, I've moaned abtout her on other threads. I wish she woudl bugger off and take her terrible acts with her.

:unsure: :unsure: have you ? All I have seen before is you regurgitating Brenda B)

:lol:

:cop: :lmaao:




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