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Dark_Necrofear - September 14, 2007 11:10 AM (GMT)
Well she got pregnant, she popped like 5 months ago and here she is back on tour defeating the WTA leader in most matches played and won this year by any player that being Jelena Jankovic.

Her return is a bit more impressive than both Williams girls but falls into the same category " Ranking is nothing but a number"

Pure class and well done to her!

TennisMenace - September 14, 2007 12:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Sep 14 2007, 05:10 AM)
Well she got pregnant, she popped like 5 months ago and here she is back on tour defeating the WTA leader in most matches played and won this year by any player that being Jelena Jankovic.

Her return is a bit more impressive than both Williams girls but falls into the same category " Ranking is nothing but a number"

Pure class and well done to her!

Does this impact negatively on the image of the current WTA if a former top player (who was a great player but never dominated the tour and was head and shoulders against her peers) can come back after having a baby and with little match practice and win against one of the current top players?
Great effort from LD, but I doubt whether her win would have been welcomed by WTA hierarchy. :shrug:

Dark_Necrofear - September 14, 2007 01:37 PM (GMT)
It just says to me that the players of her generation were still the best and not what we have now. There are a select few from this new bunch which will go down as great.

Dark_Necrofear - September 14, 2007 01:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Davenport said: "When your opponent self-destructs, that's good from your perspective. I just worried about my own game.

"In professional tennis you have to deal with line calls. When she blew up I knew I had a great shot at winning."


roflmao

Sam - September 14, 2007 01:53 PM (GMT)
it tells me yet again that the Women's game is nothing like as deep as the men's game, though it is a magnificent effort from Lindsay, one of the most natural ball strikers on tour.

I suppose it wouldn't affect lindsays game massively as movement was never her thing ;)

Nick Havoc - September 15, 2007 01:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 14 2007, 08:53 AM)
it tells me yet again that the Women's game is nothing like as deep as the men's game,

I agree. Let's see if Federer could come back and win against one of the top ATP players, just a few months after giving birth!

liam_valid - September 15, 2007 11:58 AM (GMT)
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: wheres all Lindsays fans :(

Another great win for Linds 6-1 6-3 and she will meet Hantuchova in the final

dl04 - September 15, 2007 12:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Sep 15 2007, 11:58 AM)
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: wheres all Lindsays fans :(

Another great win for Linds 6-1 6-3 and she will meet Hantuchova in the final

:bow: :bow:

Lindsay back in another final! :D

She owns Daniela too ;)

scolios - September 15, 2007 12:38 PM (GMT)
Most impressive, Lindsay :bow: Hope she takes the final :yahoo:

But I still wonder who's looking after the baby. She doesn't have it in a poose on her bag while she's playing, does she?

scolios - September 15, 2007 12:38 PM (GMT)
oops, on her BACK

Dark_Necrofear - September 17, 2007 08:53 AM (GMT)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6997435.stm

Well she won the title and Jagger features in the pic. Womens depth errr ya right! The odd few shine guys we all know who they are. The rest of the tour is a joke fest.And bare in mind that Lindsay is the second mother this year to win a title. That adds twice the amount of insult.

T01 - September 17, 2007 10:05 AM (GMT)
Yeah, I aagree that WTA is not having a goog depth. But mind you only great players can do this, namley Seles, Venus, Serena, Henin & Lindsay. We don't see just anyone and everyone do this.

With this loss, I must admit, that the lovely Daniela looks like that she can't win the big events, when she has to defeat more players like Lindsay in a row.

GS2 - September 17, 2007 10:49 AM (GMT)
I can't decide if Davenport winning the title really does show up the WTA or not.

The WTA has always had players come back and do well very quickly - let's face it this isn't anywhere near as impressive as Seles's post stabbing return where she swept through the draw to win the Canadian Open and made it all the way to the final where Graf stopped her - up to that point Seles hadn't even lost a set!

Why are we surprised that Davenport has done so well - in fitness terms she had the baby 4 months ago so there was plenty of time to get into shape and let's face it if Lindsay relied on her fitness to win matches she would have retired years ago.

In many ways Lindsay is probably fitter than usual as she has been away from the daily grind of the tour giving all those niggling injuries that players suffer from a chance to heal - quite often in these WTA comebacks we see them hit the buffers once they get back into the grind of the tour and the injuries start piling up again.

Also it's not really a surprise in terms of lack of match play - after all Lindsay has been on the tour for the last 15-16 years! There is probably no one currently in either the mens or the womens game more experienced at winning matches. And Lindsay has made a career of winning these kind of small scale tournaments - after all she has over 50 titles but only 3 are slams. Also a bonus is that she had no pressure or expectations on herself so she probably went out and just enjoyed herself - lets face it she must be fresher than the likes of Jankovic & Hantuchova who are coming to the end of a long season. And beating Jankovic was a surprise but then Jelena is back to her insane schedule - looked ropey in her previous match and has been vulnerable to silly losses all year. Beating Hantuchova was no shock - she has a 7-0 H2H and Hantuchova is a head case who couldn't even beat Davenport when she held match points!

All in all it's not the best sign for the WTA but it's not as bad as it may look at first and it's only Bali after all - not exactly a major tournament!

Dark_Necrofear - September 17, 2007 11:27 AM (GMT)
GS2 bud do you not find it a bit strange that a 31 year old ,mother after being out for so long just happens to spring up 4 months after giving birth and win a title in her first tourney back? It is a bit of a joke if you think about it!But i get what you are saying!

9mmSuzi - September 17, 2007 11:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (GS2 @ Sep 17 2007, 04:49 AM)

In many ways Lindsay is probably fitter than usual as she has been away from the daily grind of the tour giving all those niggling injuries that players suffer from a chance to heal - quite often in these WTA comebacks we see them hit the buffers once they get back into the grind of the tour and the injuries start piling up again.

Also it's not really a surprise in terms of lack of match play - after all Lindsay has been on the tour for the last 15-16 years! There is probably no one currently in either the mens or the womens game more experienced at winning matches. And Lindsay has made a career of winning these kind of small scale tournaments - after all she has over 50 titles but only 3 are slams. Also a bonus is that she had no pressure or expectations on herself so she probably went out and just enjoyed herself - lets face it she must be fresher than the likes of Jankovic & Hantuchova who are coming to the end of a long season. And beating Jankovic was a surprise but then Jelena is back to her insane schedule - looked ropey in her previous match and has been vulnerable to silly losses all year. Beating Hantuchova was no shock - she has a 7-0 H2H and Hantuchova is a head case who couldn't even beat Davenport when she held match points!

All in all it's not the best sign for the WTA but it's not as bad as it may look at first and it's only Bali after all - not exactly a major tournament!

Fair point...GS2... I personally don't think she can last a regular average tennis season though... these are tournaments she always does well in, so all tend to be easy on her physically and mentally... but of late a lot of mothers actually tend to look fitter after giving birth than even before..

As to whether that is a good thing in itself to quickly get back to the rigors of the game.. I'm not so sure..but she must have a good physio on hand for any unforseen complications.. some babies like Mummy's attention 24/7..

GS2 - September 17, 2007 12:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Sep 17 2007, 11:27 AM)
GS2 bud do you not find it a bit strange that a 31 year old ,mother after being out for so long just happens to spring up 4 months after giving birth and win a title in her first tourney back? It is a bit of a joke if you think about it!But i get what you are saying!

She's only been out for a year and it's been seen in athletics that new mothers tend to do very well after coming back from having a baby - Sonia O'Sullivan for example.

I was surprised she beat Jankovic but to be honest there was no one else in that draw that was ever going to beat her.

If she wins Beijing I might be a little concerned!


Dark_Necrofear - September 17, 2007 12:23 PM (GMT)
Is she playing Beijing?

GS2 - September 17, 2007 12:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Sep 17 2007, 12:23 PM)
Is she playing Beijing?

Yep - she's in Daniilidou's section again!

Possible QF with Dementieva.

laurie - September 17, 2007 12:29 PM (GMT)
Well done Lindsay!

Is Lindsay playing in Beijing this week?

Dark_Necrofear - September 17, 2007 12:30 PM (GMT)
Interesting.I will be keeping a close eye on that.Elena though is a bit of a headcase too.That match up will be interesting!
If she does win that title then Im gonna be up in arms with the WTA.Not because she won as she is that great but because the pretenders will be exposed.I would love to see her play Ivanovic.I seem to think that her movement will let her down against Ana.

GS2 - September 17, 2007 12:35 PM (GMT)
The thing is before she had the baby the only players who she ever really lost to on a regular basis were Henin, Sharapova, Clijsters, Serena & Venus - one of the reasons she won so many titles but often faltered in the slams.

It will be interesting to see if that changes now she's back - if it does I doubt she'll stick around for too long.

GS2 - September 17, 2007 12:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Sep 17 2007, 12:30 PM)
Interesting.I will be keeping a close eye on that.Elena though is a bit of a headcase too.That match up will be interesting!
If she does win that title then Im gonna be up in arms with the WTA.Not because she won as she is that great but because the pretenders will be exposed.I would love to see her play Ivanovic.I seem to think that her movement will let her down against Ana.

There aren't many pretenders playing Beijing - the line up is pretty poor outside the top 5 or 6 seeds.

Mauremso, Hingis & Dementieva fit more with Davenport's generation than the newest one! Kuznetsova & Jankovic are the top seeds but Davenport also knows them well.

Dark_Necrofear - September 17, 2007 01:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GS2 @ Sep 17 2007, 02:44 PM)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Sep 17 2007, 12:30 PM)
Interesting.I will be keeping a close eye on that.Elena though is a bit of a headcase too.That match up will be interesting!
If she does win that title then Im gonna be up in arms with the WTA.Not because she won as she is that great but because the pretenders will be exposed.I would love to see her play Ivanovic.I seem to think that her movement will let her down against Ana.

There aren't many pretenders playing Beijing - the line up is pretty poor outside the top 5 or 6 seeds.

Mauremso, Hingis & Dementieva fit more with Davenport's generation than the newest one! Kuznetsova & Jankovic are the top seeds but Davenport also knows them well.

Pretty solid line up ther GS2.Though we cant bank on Momo,she and her head this year have been something else.It will be nice to see Kuzzy against Davenport that would be a good judge and test for her.Hingis well I love her but really another with mental issues this year!

SuperBRAT - September 17, 2007 08:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nick Havoc @ Sep 15 2007, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 14 2007, 08:53 AM)
it tells me yet again that the Women's game is nothing like as deep as the men's game,

I agree. Let's see if Federer could come back and win against one of the top ATP players, just a few months after giving birth!

Federer giving birth? Well that would be something roflmao roflmao roflmao

T01 - September 18, 2007 07:53 AM (GMT)
It would be interesting see how the match will go when Lindsay meets Justine. Justine is the only player Lindsay hasn't beaten since 2002. Lindsay was on a losing trail to Venus, Serena, Kim and Justine back in 2003, then she turned it around with the other three, but not Justine.

Dark_Necrofear - September 18, 2007 09:04 AM (GMT)
She will lose thats for sure.Her mobility was never of the best!And with Justines game so much better now its a bit of a long shot for her to win!

GS2 - September 18, 2007 09:27 AM (GMT)
Yeah Justine is the one player I can't see Davenport beating.

They usually have good matches though - the one at the US Open last year was entertaining and Lindsay had some interesting things to say about the differences between Justine & Amelie's games. I think we're all guilty of lumping those two together as similar players but as Lindsay points out her respective records against them would indicate that the comparisons only go so far.

Davenport is probably the most interesting & perceptive of current players when talking about the game. Hopefully she'll pop up on the BBC at Wimbledon when she finally retires!

liam_valid - September 18, 2007 09:40 AM (GMT)
I do remember though the match between Henin and Davenport at AO 2006 was one of the most painful matches in recent memory. Both played awful tennis, and i think they were both injured too. It was on in the morning GMT and i was in a foul mood all day at work because Lindsay got beat despite the fact that Henin could hardly hit the ball.

Unfortunately i agree that i find it impossible to imagine Dav beating Henin now, if she couldnt even beat her during that period, but stranger things have happened

T01 - September 18, 2007 09:48 AM (GMT)
I think Lindsay is coming back on a mission: Win a GS. I think she said a while ago, if she believes that she can't win a GS then she will quit. So hopefully she will win the AO. Wimby would be fantastic and perhaps it will be easier for her to beat Justine there with Justine being under so much pressure.

Dark_Necrofear - September 18, 2007 10:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (GS2 @ Sep 18 2007, 11:27 AM)
Yeah Justine is the one player I can't see Davenport beating.

They usually have good matches though - the one at the US Open last year was entertaining and Lindsay had some interesting things to say about the differences between Justine & Amelie's games. I think we're all guilty of lumping those two together as similar players but as Lindsay points out her respective records against them would indicate that the comparisons only go so far.

Davenport is probably the most interesting & perceptive of current players when talking about the game. Hopefully she'll pop up on the BBC at Wimbledon when she finally retires!

:ok:

I dont fancy Lindsay against Justine at all.I would love to see her against the Williams girls and a Renewed rivalry against Hingis.Its amazing how she coming back is an interuption on the tour.TheMary will be back soon!

Too right there. Lindsay though should be back in the top 10 very quickly.Then I would like to see Hingis get her head right get in there too along with both Williams girls and Mauresmo.

Its going to interesting coz neither is going to want to give an inch because of egos etc.

Lindsay with her big mouth as well as Hingis should make interesting word battles. The Williams girls with their attitudes and the the newbies wanting to stake their claim.I havent been this excited about the womens game for heaven knows how long.This is what it should be about drama and tension.

GS2 - September 18, 2007 11:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Sep 18 2007, 09:40 AM)
I do remember though the match between Henin and Davenport at AO 2006 was one of the most painful matches in recent memory. Both played awful tennis, and i think they were both injured too. It was on in the morning GMT and i was in a foul mood all day at work because Lindsay got beat despite the fact that Henin could hardly hit the ball.

Unfortunately i agree that i find it impossible to imagine Dav beating Henin now, if she couldnt even beat her during that period, but stranger things have happened

I actually saw that live!

Night session at the AO - First time I'd seen Justine live and I was very excited - until the match started of course - just dreadful!

Dark_Necrofear - September 18, 2007 11:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (GS2 @ Sep 18 2007, 01:43 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Sep 18 2007, 09:40 AM)
I do remember though the match between Henin and Davenport at AO 2006 was one of the most painful matches in recent memory. Both played awful tennis, and i think they were both injured too. It was on in the morning GMT and i was in a foul mood all day at work because Lindsay got beat despite the fact that Henin could hardly hit the ball.

Unfortunately i agree that i find it impossible to imagine Dav beating Henin now, if she couldnt even beat her during that period, but stranger things have happened

I actually saw that live!

Night session at the AO - First time I'd seen Justine live and I was very excited - until the match started of course - just dreadful!

roflmao Dont you just hate it when things are an anti-climax.?

No1DaVeNpOrT_FaN - September 22, 2007 06:43 PM (GMT)
is davenport playing any more tournaments this year? I really hope so because shes been a breath of fresh air on the tour. :pray: :pray: :pray:

SuperBRAT - September 22, 2007 11:13 PM (GMT)
I though tthe pics of Linds with her babay and the trophy were so cute. Good for her, I never thought she had it in her tbh to come back like that. :D

Queen Justine - October 8, 2007 09:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GS2 @ Sep 18 2007, 09:27 AM)
Yeah Justine is the one player I can't see Davenport beating.

They usually have good matches though - the one at the US Open last year was entertaining and Lindsay had some interesting things to say about the differences between Justine & Amelie's games. I think we're all guilty of lumping those two together as similar players but as Lindsay points out her respective records against them would indicate that the comparisons only go so far.

Davenport is probably the most interesting & perceptive of current players when talking about the game. Hopefully she'll pop up on the BBC at Wimbledon when she finally retires!

What did Linds say about our "goddess"? :)




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