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Title: the greatest feat
Description: Which one's the best?


lalitha - September 10, 2007 05:47 AM (GMT)
Guys I was wondering which one could be the best of all.As you would have observed I have not given the choice of Sampras's 14 GS 'cause federer is sure on his way to that.
In my opinion it is Borg's feat of capturing both the RG and the Wimbey 3 times in a row is the best of all.Simply because the two surfaces are such a contrast to each other and to adjust yourself within a couple of weeks to the grass after the gruelling clay season and that too in the late 70's and early 80's when the grass was not the way it is now is surely a marvellous one.

Tenez - September 10, 2007 07:13 AM (GMT)
I think it is laver's despite having 3 of the 4 slams plaed on grass then. But then again doing it then is not quite the same as doing it now. So when considering those feats, we shoudl also consider the era in which it is done and in that respect, I do not think that winning the FO/Wimbledon double was certainly not as big a challenge then than it is now. The large frame used nowadays made those surface very different than they were then. Quite a few players made the double in the small frame era, none have done it since players adopted the large frame......and this despite slowing the grass/balls considerably recently.

I think Federer biggest feat is not listed here but it has to be winning the "small slam" 3 times.

scvangils - September 10, 2007 07:52 AM (GMT)
I agree with you, Tenez, about the the triple triple, but I also want to add the fact that he's made 16 Grand Slam semi's in a row and 10 finals in a row. That's just bizarre!

Tenez - September 10, 2007 08:27 AM (GMT)
Well I think reaching finals are nice stats but it does not say who wins them and therefore are not gold plated stats unlike the other achievements ...I beieve this is why it is not up there. :shrug:

But I agree just winning 8 of those 10 is amazing!!

barrystar - September 10, 2007 10:49 AM (GMT)
What about the Wimbledon-US Open Double 4 times in a row?

Tenez - September 10, 2007 11:16 AM (GMT)
Yes, I was going to mention that one but forgot. I think it is less breakable than Wimbledon's 5 in a row.

7 Wimbledon will be a tall order to break as well but the 4 Wimby/USO double is there to stay for ever!

The most impressive in m view could alo be to win 24 finals in row!!!! no chance to break that one in a million years!!!!!

Gav - September 10, 2007 11:28 AM (GMT)
Borg's 3 RG and 3 Wimby tournaments.

Big Al - September 10, 2007 11:35 AM (GMT)
I went for Borgs three doubles ,mainly because Borg wasnt a 'natural' grass court player in an era of many of them. He was unbeatable on clay but was able to adapt his game at such short notice .

ElHuegi - September 10, 2007 01:31 PM (GMT)
I went for the Borg RG-Wimby Record. Winning two GS tournaments on completely different surfaces and only a few weeks apart back-to-back is an incredible feat by any standards.

lalitha - September 10, 2007 01:39 PM (GMT)
Exactly..Making it to the finals of teh RG itself was a tall order for Nadal...of course he was against one of the best grass courters...
But the time that one has b/w the Wimbey and the RG is shorter than that of the Wimbey and the USO ...anyways...actually I forgot to post that triple one!!! taht ofcourse is a great feat...but IMO Borg's triple is THE greatest...I don't see anyone repeating it atleast in a long long time.And besided as Big Al has pointed out, Borg was not a grass courter...
This feat followed by Sampras' 7 Wimbeys are the greatest feats IMO.

Tenez - September 10, 2007 01:59 PM (GMT)
I actually disagree with this Borg triple being the greatest feat. It is great but the FO/Wimby double was done 12 times in 80 years (1900/80). Roughly once every 6 years and that is considering the fact that up to probably 1920 winners of the French did not even travel to Wimbledon. So winning the double could have even happened once every 5 years since "proper" tennis championship started. However it has not hapened in 27 year since the larger raket frames have been available. So in my view though I do recognise it is a great achievement, we shoudl not look at it with todays eyes where indeed winning both in the same year is simply unheard of. The smaller frame rackets made grass and clay not so different.

Winning 3 triple slams by 2007 is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon.

Tenez - September 10, 2007 02:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (lalitha @ Sep 10 2007, 02:39 PM)
Exactly..Making it to the finals of teh RG itself was a tall order for Nadal...of course he was against one of the best grass courters...
But the time that one has b/w the Wimbey and the RG is shorter than that of the Wimbey and the USO ...anyways...actually I forgot to post that triple one!!! taht ofcourse is a great feat...but IMO Borg's triple is THE greatest...I don't see anyone repeating it atleast in a long long time.And besided as Big Al has pointed out, Borg was not a grass courter...
This feat followed by Sampras' 7 Wimbeys are the greatest feats IMO.

Winning 5 Wimbledon shoudl make you a grass courter. and a good one actually ;) .

McEnroe who came after showed us the way grass could/should be played again but for many years grass tennis was not pure S&V it was a mixture of rallies and net points,quite similar to today grass tennis in fact. So Borg was as much as a grass court as most players back then. When the pace picked up, certainly Borg's small frame and top spin game became abit fragile but until then it was as good as any others....well obviously better. ;)

Big Al - September 10, 2007 05:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tenez @ Sep 10 2007, 02:59 PM)
I actually disagree with this Borg triple being the greatest feat. It is great but the FO/Wimby double was done 12 times in 80 years (1900/80). Roughly once every 6 years and that is considering the fact that up to probably 1920 winners of the French did not even travel to Wimbledon. So winning the double could have even happened once every 5 years since "proper" tennis championship started. However it has not hapened in 27 year since the larger raket frames have been available. So in my view though I do recognise it is a great achievement, we shoudl not look at it with todays eyes where indeed winning both in the same year is simply unheard of. The smaller frame rackets made grass and clay not so different.

Winning 3 triple slams by 2007 is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon.

By that argument, Agassis career slam deserves a mention here .He's also one of the few players to appear in successive French and Wimbledon finals , winning at least one, since the big racquets appeared.

Nick Havoc - September 10, 2007 05:48 PM (GMT)
Or . . . .

Fed's 10 consecutive slam finals

Fed's 8 consecutive non-clay slams

Fed's 11/12 non-clay slams in four seasons

Big Al - September 10, 2007 08:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nick Havoc @ Sep 10 2007, 06:48 PM)
Or  . . . .

Fed's 10 consecutive slam finals

Fed's 8 consecutive non-clay slams

Fed's 11/12 non-clay slams in four seasons

Why not just pick a player who has achieved the most feats ?

Federer-Williams - September 10, 2007 08:27 PM (GMT)
I was split between laver slams and Borg doubles.

Laver's competition was less I think and all on grass but still two grandslams is amazing.

Borg doubles were in a great era and three years in a row as well..

I went for Borg in the end cause he had to adapt his game well.

Still I think Federer's repeated Minislams and consecutive finals and some of his other acheivements will come into this in a few years.

maybe if he does THE slam next year it will be considered greatest because of the surfaces and competition.


Big Al - September 10, 2007 08:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Federer-Williams @ Sep 10 2007, 09:27 PM)
I was split between laver slams and Borg doubles.

Laver's competition was less I think and all on grass but still two grandslams is amazing.

Borg doubles were in a great era and three years in a row as well..

I went for Borg in the end cause he had to adapt his game well.

Still I think Federer's repeated Minislams and consecutive finals and some of his other acheivements will come into this in a few years.

maybe if he does THE slam next year it will be considered greatest because of the surfaces and competition.

FW, I think your sig needs updated :D

Federer-Williams - September 10, 2007 08:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Big Al @ Sep 10 2007, 02:38 PM)
QUOTE (Federer-Williams @ Sep 10 2007, 09:27 PM)
I was split between laver slams and Borg doubles.

Laver's competition was less I think and all on grass but still two grandslams is amazing.

Borg doubles were in a great era and three years in a row as well..

I went for Borg in the end cause he had to adapt his game well.

Still I think Federer's repeated Minislams and consecutive finals and some of his other acheivements will come into this in a few years.

maybe if he does THE slam next year it will be considered greatest because of the surfaces and competition.

FW, I think your sig needs updated :D

Oh crap. I am having to update it muchos these days which is a good thing. I always needs a reminder tho thnaks :P

dl04 - September 10, 2007 09:24 PM (GMT)
Laver's achievments are absolutely stagggering :bow: :bow:

To win the Slam twice is amazing..........

I've always thought Borg's RG/Wimby back to back titles was something a bit special too :)

Nick Havoc - September 10, 2007 09:48 PM (GMT)
Maybe Fed will manage the slam plus Olympic Gold next year . . .

dl04 - September 10, 2007 10:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nick Havoc @ Sep 10 2007, 09:48 PM)
Maybe Fed will manage the slam plus Olympic Gold next year . . .

That would be something if he could emulate Graf's achievment of 1988 :)

liam_valid - September 10, 2007 10:11 PM (GMT)
Ive picked Borg. If GOAT Fed cant even manage it once, then Borg doing it 3 times on the bounce is nothing short of a miracle. Of course it should have been Nadal who did it this year, if not for that awful injury he picked up in the final set

Big Al - September 10, 2007 10:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Sep 10 2007, 11:11 PM)
Ive picked Borg. If GOAT Fed cant even manage it once, then Borg doing it 3 times on the bounce is nothing short of a miracle. Of course it should have been Nadal who did it this year, if not for that awful injury he picked up in the final set

I know, he should have won the US Open as well but that awful injury happened again ;) :D

Tenez - September 10, 2007 10:33 PM (GMT)
But then again Liam you might say Borg never managed the Wimby/USO double while Fed has got 4 in the bag already. This is why doubles don't mean as much for me. Holding the 4 at once is what really matters. No one goes for double...they happen to be doubles. While all would want the 4 in a row if they could.

Tenez - September 10, 2007 10:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Big Al @ Sep 10 2007, 11:32 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Sep 10 2007, 11:11 PM)
Ive picked Borg. If GOAT Fed cant even manage it once, then Borg doing it 3 times on the bounce is nothing short of a miracle. Of course it should have been Nadal who did it this year, if not for that awful injury he picked up in the final set

I know, he should have won the US Open as well but that awful injury happened again ;)

:D

Big Al - September 10, 2007 10:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tenez @ Sep 10 2007, 11:33 PM)
But then again Liam you might say Borg never managed the Wimby/USO double while Fed has got 4 in the bag already. This is why doubles don't mean as much for me. Holding the 4 at once is what really matters. No one goes for double...they happen to be doubles. While all would want the 4 in a row if they could.

The Wimbledon-US Open double is very significant though since traditionally they are played on fast surfaces .

Tenez - September 10, 2007 10:52 PM (GMT)
It was not that significant before the 80s, but it certainly is now for the reasons I mentioned above.

PS - Oops sorry I may have misunderstood your previous post. Or have you twicked it in the meantime? ;)

Big Al - September 10, 2007 11:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tenez @ Sep 10 2007, 11:52 PM)
It was not that significant before the 80s, but it certainly is now for the reasons I mentioned above.

PS - Oops sorry I may have misunderstood your previous post. Or have you twicked it in the meantime? ;)

I dont think you misunderstood it, but I added a smile just to show I thought Liam was being a little sarcastic there as well.
Edit : sorry, we're talking about different posts here?
I did see your earlier post about the mini-slam which Fed has won four times

Lex - September 10, 2007 11:35 PM (GMT)
de greatest feat was surely de feat of Napoleon

:unsure:

:hide:

liam_valid - September 11, 2007 12:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tenez @ Sep 10 2007, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (Big Al @ Sep 10 2007, 11:32 PM)
QUOTE (liam_valid @ Sep 10 2007, 11:11 PM)
Ive picked Borg. If GOAT Fed cant even manage it once, then Borg doing it 3 times on the bounce is nothing short of a miracle. Of course it should have been Nadal who did it this year, if not for that awful injury he picked up in the final set

I know, he should have won the US Open as well but that awful injury happened again ;)

:D

:ok:

liam_valid - September 11, 2007 12:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lex @ Sep 11 2007, 12:35 AM)
de greatest feat was surely de feat of Napoleon

:unsure:

:hide:

i was gonna say i had the greatest feat, but they stink more than Sampras' armpits :blush:

Brakkus - September 11, 2007 03:08 AM (GMT)
A very subjective thing this,as you are really comparing one era to another.Therefore what one player achieved is different to someone else.

I think the things listed are all worthy.Sampras and his seven Wimbledons jumps out like a beacon for me.To completely dominate an event for the best part of your career is astounding.
Not to besmirch Borg and the triple/double,but Sampras was unplayable at Wimbledon in his pomp.

greasepipe - September 11, 2007 10:47 AM (GMT)
i'd say; 12 slams in 4 years and 1 month :bow:

Big Al - September 11, 2007 12:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (greasepipe @ Sep 11 2007, 11:47 AM)
i'd say; 12 slams in 4 years and 1 month :bow:

That is the greatest one , together with the number of finals in a row. :ok:

lalitha - September 11, 2007 02:11 PM (GMT)
Sampras was the finest grass court player ever(Sorry Fed) the jinx in 96 is nothing but a jinx...he could have gone on to win 8 consecutive wimbeys!! Anyways the primary thing is the time gap b/w teh Wimbey and the RG.Its too short to adjust yourself so remarkably. Again Fed reaching these finals and winning the non clay slams is an amazing feat as well...but just to be a little fair, I don't see the same tough competion that Sampras faced during his time...all said its of course foolish to compae players of different eras..and right now its Fed's era...so go on and win more Fed!!!




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