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Queen Justine - September 5, 2007 03:58 AM (GMT)
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/media/index.html

Click on Serena's picture

roflmao roflmao

"Henin hit some lucky shots" roflmao roflmao

Un-friggin-believable :tsk: :tsk:

:rolleyes:
:sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:


TennisMenace - September 5, 2007 05:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Queen Justine @ Sep 4 2007, 09:58 PM)
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/media/index.html

Click on Serena's picture

roflmao roflmao

"Henin hit some lucky shots" roflmao roflmao

Un-friggin-believable :tsk: :tsk:

:rolleyes:
:sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

That's hilarious - nothing like losing gracefully!! roflmao
Serena doesn't think that a lack of matches affected her but also says she didn't play so well..... could there be a link there? roflmao
Seeing that makes me happy that she lost!

9mmSuzi - September 5, 2007 05:13 AM (GMT)
:) I think she's really bummed... I would be if I was her...because she was an utter no-show in the second set...

If she is truthful..she will admit she diin't know what was going on in that second set...abysmal.

But the 'lucky shots' thing I believe is more in the first set... cause that was playing much closer. I always said Justine has better rythm at hte Usopen and it showed ..she was going to be taking the better chances in closely fought sets....and yeap... I still believe Justine can deal with the williams sisters and other baseline hitters better at USopen than at wimbledon...( her mental psyche is up fot it)

I'm hoping She wont be too knackered cause if Venus were to come through... I definately see a Grudge match...and Venus doesn't fade away that easily...

Serena is being a typical american athlete....she won't critique herself...
but after a day or two, when she sits to think about the match ..she will, if sincere, realise justine was up for that game and brought her A-game to court whereas she didn't... and as with any match between these two ....you best be up for it... :) cause you snooze for a sec( self doubt)... its over....

Serena should just prepare harder for a better end of season performance...

GS2 - September 5, 2007 09:29 AM (GMT)
Is she going to throw her toys out of her pram as well :rolleyes:

Oh well - she just makes herself look bad.

Gav - September 5, 2007 09:45 AM (GMT)
Serena didn't make herself look very graceful after this defeat although she did mention a couple of times that Justine played better. That doesn't often happen! The "lucky" shots comment was a little poor, if she sees the match she will realise Justine just dictated play.

She gives the impression that she is a child who didn't get her slice of cake, which is quite funny. It's not great to be a good loser though, because to win you really have to HATE to lose!

Dinky Jo - September 5, 2007 09:48 AM (GMT)
not a happy bunny is she? :unsure:

Full interview transcript

Gav - September 5, 2007 09:55 AM (GMT)
Q. Are you saying that you lost the match rather than Justine won it?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I think that's usually the case with me, that it's for me to win or lose.

That's a little poor though to be honest. Henin stepped up her game last night and was hitting hard and mixing it up. She stopped Serena from playing and I am not sure that has happened many times before. Serena didn't lose that one, Justine won it.

T01 - September 5, 2007 09:55 AM (GMT)
on top of that Justine rubs it in with saying " Then from the tiebreak until the end, I played unbelievable tennis. I've been aggressive like the No. 1 player in the world, you know, just trying to dictate the points. And it was very good. "

hmm..poor Serena, at least she should have tried better. Better luck next time, but will this become a mental hurdle? Losing 3 times in a row at GS QF.


Queen Justine - September 5, 2007 09:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dinky Jo @ Sep 5 2007, 09:48 AM)
not a happy bunny is she? :unsure:

Full interview transcript

roflmao roflmao

user posted image :rolleyes:

barrystar - September 5, 2007 09:58 AM (GMT)
I think this from today's Times says it all reasonably fairly. Although I don't remember Connors or McEnroe ever being very good at accepting defeat at each other's hands.

QUOTE
Comment: Barry Flatman

The Sunday Times Tennis Correspondent


In this age of intense professionalism it is unquestionably naïve to believe that the old adage of ‘it’s not the winning but it’s the taking part’ still holds true. Yet whatever the era, the mark of true sportsman or woman is the ability to praise the victor in times of defeat and Serena Williams has long been a competitor who struggles with the concept.

With the distinct exception of her sister Venus, there are very few opponents who have been lauded with praise when overcoming the player who still maintains she has the capability of becoming the best female tennis player on the planet. It is just an accepted fact in the sport, much the same as rain is expected at Wimbledon and John McEnroe is never at a loss for an opinion.

Unfortunately the player who amazed numerous seasoned judges of the game by forcing her way back to the top when she was viewed by many as spent force earlier this year, has let her egocentricity sink to new levels. How nice it would be for her to be magnanimous in defeat. How disappointing to hear her not give Justine Henin rightful credit for her passage through to the US Open semi-finals.

If ever a player deserved praise for a win over the younger of the two Williams sister is was Justine Henin who once again proved she is probably the most determined player still in with a chance of lifting some of the US Open’s silverware over the upcoming weekend. Not only does she have to overcome the physical handicap of being the smallest and most frail player in the world’s top ten. She must do with serious issues of allergies and an immune system that is precariously delicate for a competitive athlete so reliant on peak fitness.

Therefore Serena should think about issuing a public apology to her conqueror after the most ungenerous comments. Clearly these two women will never be friends although earlier this year when they met in Miami and Serena came out on top, there appeared to be a level of mutual respect. Since then Henin has dominated their rivalry by scoring victories at both the French Open and Wimbledon and it was clear to anybody within earshot of Williams actually on court during her straight sets demise on Arthur Ashe Stadium that she was not exactly complimentary in her observations.

To some people’s point of view, that is acceptable in the heat of battle. But Serena did herself no favours afterwards when asked to sum up the reasons for her demise. “I just think she made a lot of lucky shots,” she said with not a trace of self-deprecating humour. She has not projected the impression that she has been anywhere near happy with her game or her lot throughout this tournament but her mood in defeat was one of surliness and distinct hostility.

Women’s tennis should be eternally grateful to the Williams sister for taking the game to new levels and of course both still have a major role to play as current grand-slam champions. But Serena Williams should also accept that tennis has given her everything she has and a little more respect for the game and her peers is something long overdue.


9mmSuzi - September 5, 2007 10:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (T01 @ Sep 5 2007, 03:55 AM)
on top of that Justine rubs it in with saying " Then from the tiebreak until the end, I played unbelievable tennis. I've been aggressive like the No. 1 player in the world, you know, just trying to dictate the points. And it was very good. "

hmm..poor Serena, at least she should have tried better. Better luck next time, but will this become a mental hurdle? Losing 3 times in a row at GS QF.

Should her rankings increase... the schedules might favor her....
meeting Justine in the finals tends to be a different kettle of fish....

but that is if she puts the work in and moves up the rankings....

Queen Justine - September 5, 2007 10:07 AM (GMT)
Thanks Barrystar ... B)

I'm lost for words ..... (I'm sure that is heaven to some posters ;) ) ..... after watching that interview and after watching the match! Justine was amazing.

When Justine lost their match in Key Biscayne she still complimented Serena on her play.

Does Serena not realise how she comes over? :unsure: At least Venus has improved in the compliments department. Venus does now at least compliment and respect a player. It's not that any of them want the WS's approval, it's just out of damn respect! :rolleyes:

Anyway, great article and the pure truth! :whistle:

Heninator - September 5, 2007 10:11 AM (GMT)
Q. Do you think fitness was an issue in this match?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm very fit. I can run for hours.



*cue QJs smilie with the glass of water* :lol:

Queen Justine - September 5, 2007 10:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Heninator @ Sep 5 2007, 10:11 AM)
Q. Do you think fitness was an issue in this match?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm very fit. I can run for hours.



*cue QJs smilie with the glass of water* :lol:


user posted image


;)

Heninator - September 5, 2007 10:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Queen Justine @ Sep 5 2007, 04:19 AM)
QUOTE (Heninator @ Sep 5 2007, 10:11 AM)
Q. Do you think fitness was an issue in this match?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm very fit. I can run for hours.



*cue QJs smilie with the glass of water* :lol:


user posted image


;)

Thats the one!! :bow:


But no...she was trying to be funny I guess but she must not realise it sounds so rude! :wacko: :yikes: :wacko:

Q. Can you describe your emotions after the match? Are you devastated by this loss?

SERENA WILLIAMS: No. I'm very happy.

petalp - September 5, 2007 10:29 AM (GMT)
She's taken this one particularly badly. I'd bet that her 3 GS defeats to JH this year have increased in their irritability factor, peaking with this one.

SW will have really fancied her chances in this one, plus it's effectively her back yard rather than Europe. Crowd on her side, prospect of playing her sister in the semis, and knowledge that she had already beaten JH on hardcourt earlier in the season.

No, neither Williams are particularly graceful in defeat, and especially Serena. Mind you, not many of the women are that graceful in defeat in general. But Serena will put down almost every defeat of hers entirely to her playing badly, because she thnks that on her day that she can beat anyone.

The basic problem with this is that no tennis player plays well every time, and whether they get out of jail when playing badly, well, depends on who they are playing really, and a I guess an element of luck. She does acknowledge Justine a little, but it's through gritted teeth, and therefore feels like an empty gesture.

I actually think that the male tennis players are much better at praising their opponents and yet can also be more intensely competitive. Maybe with the female players, it's just much more instensive emotionally? That can affect both their game and how they respond afterwards. I think when that's the case, maybe it is difficult to play hard on court, and then be able to walk off court and be gracious to your opponent.

Tenez - September 5, 2007 10:42 AM (GMT)
I don't quite like this Times article as it takes Serena's words too seriously while I think she was being sarcastic all along. It has a point however about her needing to learn how to lose and respect the opponents and the game.

Sam - September 5, 2007 11:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Queen Justine @ Sep 5 2007, 04:58 AM)
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/media/index.html

Click on Serena's picture

roflmao

"Henin hit some lucky shots" roflmao

Un-friggin-believable 

:rolleyes:
:sicky:


roflmao

The :sicky: smiley looks like a sour grape roflmao

Therefore...

Serena Williams = :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

roflmao

dl04 - September 5, 2007 11:10 AM (GMT)
We know you dont like Serena, but you dont have to keep berating her with:

Serena Williams= :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

:rolleyes:

If Justine had lost, noone would put a thread up basically just to insult her............

Gav - September 5, 2007 11:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:10 PM)
If Justine had lost, noone would put a thread up basically just to insult her............

Are you talking about this thread or another? I think had Justine lost and had said the same things in the interview then there would have been a thread about it.

You have to admit this post match conference from Serena was markedly amusing.

dl04 - September 5, 2007 11:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:14 AM)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:10 PM)
If Justine had lost, noone would put a thread up basically just to insult her............

Are you talking about this thread or another? I think had Justine lost and had said the same things in the interview then there would have been a thread about it.

You have to admit this post match conference from Serena was markedly amusing.

Yeah, but why put:

Serena= :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

It really takes away any objectivety to the thread :rolleyes:

Yes Serena's comments are sometimes dodgy, but why are they two threads up just to berate her.

It's just Sam's way of kicking Serena when she's down :rolleyes:

Sam - September 5, 2007 11:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:10 PM)
We know you dont like Serena, but you dont have to keep berating her with:

Serena Williams= :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

:rolleyes:

If Justine had lost, noone would put a thread up basically just to insult her............

No but I have longer memories than that Dl - I certainly know of williams fans in the past having gone to town on any of their opponents when the williamses have beaten them... :rolleyes:

Besides, this is about Serena's disgusting attitude - Henin is much better mannered despite her incredible competetiveness...

In fairness your Venus isn't as bad, I actually don't mind her :)

Sam - September 5, 2007 11:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:14 AM)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:10 PM)
If Justine had lost, noone would put a thread up basically just to insult her............

Are you talking about this thread or another? I think had Justine lost and had said the same things in the interview then there would have been a thread about it.

You have to admit this post match conference from Serena was markedly amusing.

Yeah, but why put:

Serena= :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

It really takes away any objectivety to the thread :rolleyes:

Yes Serena's comments are sometimes dodgy, but why are they two threads up just to berate her.

It's just Sam's way of kicking Serena when she's down :rolleyes:

shut up Dl and just read the next post i've put down - Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down? :rolleyes:

dl04 - September 5, 2007 11:19 AM (GMT)
' digusting attitude'

What has she done, threatened to kill Justine's family? :rolleyes:

I doubt Justine would even bat an eyelid looking at these quotes, she's won and Serena's lost, so that's it really.

It seems like every time Serena's losing, you instigate a thread to start the hatred.

Gav - September 5, 2007 11:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:16 PM)
Yes Serena's comments are sometimes dodgy, but why are they two threads up just to berate her.

Well I think this thread is to highlight that Serena had a bit of a sulkfest int the interview. I liked her sarcasm for sure, but don't like her lack of respect for Justine, who is clearly the better player this year.

I, for one, would have highlighted the same thing if Justine had lost and gone through an interview in the same way. I just don't see Justine being quite so sulky....unfortunately also I don't think Justine does sarcasm quite so well.

dl04 - September 5, 2007 11:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 11:18 AM)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:14 AM)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:10 PM)
If Justine had lost, noone would put a thread up basically just to insult her............

Are you talking about this thread or another? I think had Justine lost and had said the same things in the interview then there would have been a thread about it.

You have to admit this post match conference from Serena was markedly amusing.

Yeah, but why put:

Serena= :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

It really takes away any objectivety to the thread :rolleyes:

Yes Serena's comments are sometimes dodgy, but why are they two threads up just to berate her.

It's just Sam's way of kicking Serena when she's down :rolleyes:

shut up Dl and just read the next post i've put down - Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down? :rolleyes:

Sure i've not been as complimentary to other players as to maria, but i've never gone:

Maria= :sicky: :sicky: :sicky: :sicky:

or put up an entire thread about it. There just doesnt seem any point :shrug:

Gav - September 5, 2007 11:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 12:18 PM)
Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down? :rolleyes:

Sam does have a point. Maria doesn't get much credit from people on here and neither does Kim Clijsters. Yet eyelids are hardly battered when they come in for criticism.

dl04 - September 5, 2007 11:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:22 AM)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 12:18 PM)
Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down?  :rolleyes:

Sam does have a point. Maria doesn't get much credit from people on here and neither does Kim Clijsters. Yet eyelids are hardly battered when they come in for criticism.

Well fair enough, but there seems to be a lot of threads pinned on serena of late :rolleyes:

Queen Justine - September 5, 2007 11:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:22 AM)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 12:18 PM)
Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down?  :rolleyes:

Sam does have a point. Maria doesn't get much credit from people on here and neither does Kim Clijsters. Yet eyelids are hardly battered when they come in for criticism.

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:


Sam - September 5, 2007 11:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:23 PM)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:22 AM)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 12:18 PM)
Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down?  :rolleyes:

Sam does have a point. Maria doesn't get much credit from people on here and neither does Kim Clijsters. Yet eyelids are hardly battered when they come in for criticism.

Well fair enough, but there seems to be a lot of threads pinned on serena of late :rolleyes:

Rubbish Dl - you dish it out, you get it back at some point.

i remember far more threads like this posted whenever Maria lost a match on the BBC, and i know you contributed at times :rolleyes:

And more to the point, if serena had given a gracious interview I wouldn't care :rolleyes:

Tenez - September 5, 2007 11:30 AM (GMT)
I think, to be fair, JH attitude and interview after her loss at the AO06 to Momo wasn't much more gracious.

I don't mind players being bitter after a defeat. If this is what they want to express, fine. It is our job to read between the lines. Let's not kick them while they are down.

dl04 - September 5, 2007 11:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 11:28 AM)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:23 PM)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:22 AM)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 12:18 PM)
Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down?  :rolleyes:

Sam does have a point. Maria doesn't get much credit from people on here and neither does Kim Clijsters. Yet eyelids are hardly battered when they come in for criticism.

Well fair enough, but there seems to be a lot of threads pinned on serena of late :rolleyes:

Rubbish Dl - you dish it out, you get it back at some point.

i remember far more threads like this posted whenever Maria lost a match on the BBC, and i know you contributed at times :rolleyes:

And more to the point, if serena had given a gracious interview I wouldn't care :rolleyes:

But why do you care that Serena has given a bad interview?

Does it matter at all :shrug:

Anyway, we all have our views cand maybe i'm slightly exagerated your stances. I just think interviews can be a little misleading given the circumstances of losing a match :shrug:

Anyway, i'll move on now :)

Gav - September 5, 2007 11:35 AM (GMT)
Dl, I agree there doesn't need to be more than one thread discussing Serena doing this. Perhaps they can be merged?

Tenez, do you know where there is a transcript of Justine's comments after the AO 06 defeat to Mauresmo? I haven't heard it but would be interested to read it.... Will do a quick search myself now.

Sam - September 5, 2007 11:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:31 PM)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 11:28 AM)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:23 PM)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 11:22 AM)
QUOTE (Sam @ Sep 5 2007, 12:18 PM)
Are you gonna tell me you've never kicked Maria when she's down?  :rolleyes:

Sam does have a point. Maria doesn't get much credit from people on here and neither does Kim Clijsters. Yet eyelids are hardly battered when they come in for criticism.

Well fair enough, but there seems to be a lot of threads pinned on serena of late :rolleyes:

Rubbish Dl - you dish it out, you get it back at some point.

i remember far more threads like this posted whenever Maria lost a match on the BBC, and i know you contributed at times :rolleyes:

And more to the point, if serena had given a gracious interview I wouldn't care :rolleyes:

But why do you care that Serena has given a bad interview?

Does it matter at all :shrug:

Anyway, we all have our views cand maybe i'm slightly exagerated your stances. I just think interviews can be a little misleading given the circumstances of losing a match :shrug:

Anyway, i'll move on now :)

Well it's not the first time Serena has been a hopeless graceless loser in her post-match interview is it, as QJ points out.

barrystar - September 5, 2007 11:38 AM (GMT)
Winning and losing ungraciously is unnattractive, and it does not matter to me who does it, it's worthy of comment when it happens, and particularly when the player is a big star.

Henin has let herself down plenty enough in the past, but has been streets better than she was of late.

Venus, likewise, has improved recently IMHO.

Serena has a way to go, and she presented an open goal last night to those who would criticise her lack of grace.

There seems to be a difference in attitude between Serena and Venus - both are playing a pretty light schedule compared to the other top players. Venus seems to treat her current success as a bonus, Serena as an entitlement.

dl04 - September 5, 2007 11:38 AM (GMT)
Well noone on the tour is that gracious really, with the exception of Linds :hug:

I mean look at jankovic's comments earlier in the week:

' i underestimated her because i thought i was playing a junior'

or words to that effect. I actually find that worse than anything Serena has said this week :shrug:

Sam - September 5, 2007 11:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gav @ Sep 5 2007, 12:35 PM)
Dl, I agree there doesn't need to be more than one thread discussing Serena doing this. Perhaps they can be merged?

Tenez, do you know where there is a transcript of Justine's comments after the AO 06 defeat to Mauresmo? I haven't heard it but would be interested to read it.... Will do a quick search myself now.

Sorry my other thread was to do as another reaction to the althea gibson stuff roflmao

Sam - September 5, 2007 11:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (barrystar @ Sep 5 2007, 12:38 PM)
Winning and losing ungraciously is unnattractive, and it does not matter to me who does it, it's worthy of comment when it happens, and particularly when the player is a big star.

Henin has let herself down plenty enough in the past, but has been streets better than she was of late.

Venus, likewise, has improved recently IMHO.

Serena has a way to go, and she presented an open goal last night to those who would criticise her lack of grace.

There seems to be a difference in attitude between Serena and Venus - both are playing a pretty light schedule compared to the other top players. Venus seems to treat her current success as a bonus, Serena as an entitlement.

Yes I agree about Venus - I generally find her a much nicer individual than Serena :)

Gav - September 5, 2007 11:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:38 PM)
I mean look at jankovic's comments earlier in the week:

' i underestimated her because i thought i was playing a junior'

Ouch! Had that been as high profile a match as this then I am 100% sure there would have been a thread about it.

Barry in that last sentence you sum up the Williams attitude this year to success very well indeed.

Sam - September 5, 2007 11:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dl04 @ Sep 5 2007, 12:38 PM)
Well noone on the tour is that gracious really, with the exception of Linds :hug:

I mean look at jankovic's comments earlier in the week:

' i underestimated her because i thought i was playing a junior'

or words to that effect. I actually find that worse than anything Serena has said this week :shrug:

But you see, you lot tubthump about how great Serena is, but she isn't because she clearly lacks basic good manners and grace whenever she's lost. I don't mind anybody taking a defeat badly, but if I did a press conference after every match I would still give due credit. Serena never does it.

Look at Federer - when he suffers a rare defeat, he must be hurting like hell - but he is still a perfect gent to the media.




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