Title: Ronaldo makes history!
Hiromiku - June 27, 2006 05:17 PM (GMT)
With his goal against Ghana, Ronaldo now is officially a legend :party: :party: :party:
Mkkreuk - June 27, 2006 07:00 PM (GMT)
Legend overused word in my books.
Ronaldo - Record Breaker? Yes. Legend? No.
Legends - Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Eusebio, (arguably Garrincha) et al...THEY are legends....tubby boy rates below them.
Hiromiku - June 27, 2006 07:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 27 2006, 08:00 PM) |
Legend overused word in my books.
Ronaldo - Record Breaker? Yes. Legend? No.
Legends - Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Eusebio, (arguably Garrincha) et al...THEY are legends....tubby boy rates below them. |
True - I kinda exagerated...
Still, he's a great goalscorer.
Mkkreuk - June 27, 2006 09:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 27 2006, 08:06 PM) |
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 27 2006, 08:00 PM) | Legend overused word in my books.
Ronaldo - Record Breaker? Yes. Legend? No.
Legends - Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Eusebio, (arguably Garrincha) et al...THEY are legends....tubby boy rates below them. |
True - I kinda exagerated...
Still, he's a great goalscorer.
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Yup :ok:
Just thought i'd get my view across :)
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 07:19 AM (GMT)
Defintiely right Mkk - I think Ronaldo is a legend in a sort of way, like the great German Gerd Muller!
And the way he has risen his game at the world cups is quite something! :D
Mkkreuk - June 28, 2006 07:45 AM (GMT)
I would have said Ronaldo was a legend if he had played the way he did in the early to mid 90s or 2002 at this world cup. If he had slimmed down and created more for the team as a whole (and also scored goals against proper defences ...no offence intended there) then there would have been a case making it onto "the list". He definitely has to rate as a great - maybe JUST below a player like Zico?
and a great german? Surely that cant be right! :whistle: (im just joking - i know who he is - his goals to game ratio is amazing :yikes: )
Hiromiku - June 28, 2006 08:19 AM (GMT)
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 08:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 08:45 AM) |
I would have said Ronaldo was a legend if he had played the way he did in the early to mid 90s or 2002 at this world cup. If he had slimmed down and created more for the team as a whole (and also scored goals against proper defences ...no offence intended there) then there would have been a case making it onto "the list". He definitely has to rate as a great - maybe JUST below a player like Zico?
and a great german? Surely that cant be right! :whistle: (im just joking - i know who he is - his goals to game ratio is amazing :yikes: ) |
Well I think you have to look at Ronaldo as a pure goalscorer - only two players in history have really married together the team play and the goals - Pele and Maradona.
Ronaldo at France 98 was just incredible until the final - he looked like he could tke a side on by himself!
btw France 98 was still the best world cup that i've seen, although this one has been pretty good! :D
Hiromiku - June 28, 2006 09:07 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 09:22 AM) |
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 08:45 AM) | I would have said Ronaldo was a legend if he had played the way he did in the early to mid 90s or 2002 at this world cup. If he had slimmed down and created more for the team as a whole (and also scored goals against proper defences ...no offence intended there) then there would have been a case making it onto "the list". He definitely has to rate as a great - maybe JUST below a player like Zico?
and a great german? Surely that cant be right! :whistle: (im just joking - i know who he is - his goals to game ratio is amazing :yikes: ) |
Well I think you have to look at Ronaldo as a pure goalscorer - only two players in history have really married together the team play and the goals - Pele and Maradona.
Ronaldo at France 98 was just incredible until the final - he looked like he could tke a side on by himself!
btw France 98 was still the best world cup that i've seen, although this one has been pretty good! :D
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The 2002 one was exciting, but could've been better IF ONLY it was corruption-free :whistle:
Mkkreuk - June 28, 2006 09:09 AM (GMT)
The 2002 was the worst ive seen in my lifetime (ok i know its been short). I like upsets and all but there were a few too many and it just made brazils passage a bit too easy and there seemed a lack of competition...this one could be one of the great WC depending on how things go in the next round.
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:11 AM (GMT)
Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it!
Hiromiku - June 28, 2006 09:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:09 AM) |
| The 2002 was the worst ive seen in my lifetime (ok i know its been short). I like upsets and all but there were a few too many and it just made brazils passage a bit too easy and there seemed a lack of competition...this one could be one of the great WC depending on how things go in the next round. |
I wasn't really bothered by that, it's just the CORRUPTION!
Hiromiku - June 28, 2006 09:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) |
| Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I loved Japan's dramatic qualification :D
Although the finals :whistle:
TBH, we weren't bad.
0-1 against Argentina.
0-1 against Croatia.
No shame in that. Especially that Croatia made it 3rd that year.
But...
I wouldn't want to talk about the other match :whistle: :rolleyes:
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:16 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:13 AM) |
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I loved Japan's dramatic qualification :D
Although the finals :whistle:
TBH, we weren't bad.
0-1 against Argentina.
0-1 against Croatia.
No shame in that. Especially that Croatia made it 3rd that year.
But...
I wouldn't want to talk about the other match :whistle: :rolleyes:
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that'll be the 2-1 reverse against Jamaica! roflmao
Let's be honest, from what i've seen in the last few years, the best Asias team in the competition is undoubtedly South Korea. No offence, but it's just true. The energy they put into every match is quite incredible!
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:16 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) |
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:09 AM) | | The 2002 was the worst ive seen in my lifetime (ok i know its been short). I like upsets and all but there were a few too many and it just made brazils passage a bit too easy and there seemed a lack of competition...this one could be one of the great WC depending on how things go in the next round. |
I wasn't really bothered by that, it's just the CORRUPTION!
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What, South Korea desrvedly getting to the Semis?
Mkkreuk - June 28, 2006 09:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) |
| Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I do remember it quite well actually. I can also remember parts of the 94 one as well though not too much. the 98 world cup finals was a good one but i just meant that say if the Semis ended up being Italy vs Argentina & France vs england - for me that would be tough to beat (added to how this one has gone so far)
Mkkreuk - June 28, 2006 09:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:16 AM) |
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:09 AM) | | The 2002 was the worst ive seen in my lifetime (ok i know its been short). I like upsets and all but there were a few too many and it just made brazils passage a bit too easy and there seemed a lack of competition...this one could be one of the great WC depending on how things go in the next round. |
I wasn't really bothered by that, it's just the CORRUPTION!
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What, South Korea desrvedly getting to the Semis?
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roflmao
Hiromiku - June 28, 2006 09:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:16 AM) |
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:13 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I loved Japan's dramatic qualification :D
Although the finals :whistle:
TBH, we weren't bad.
0-1 against Argentina.
0-1 against Croatia.
No shame in that. Especially that Croatia made it 3rd that year.
But...
I wouldn't want to talk about the other match :whistle: :rolleyes:
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that'll be the 2-1 reverse against Jamaica! roflmao
Let's be honest, from what i've seen in the last few years, the best Asias team in the competition is undoubtedly South Korea. No offence, but it's just true. The energy they put into every match is quite incredible!
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They shouldn't have gone that far in 2002. They corrupted those refs.
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:18 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:17 AM) |
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I do remember it quite well actually. I can also remember parts of the 94 one as well though not too much. the 98 world cup finals was a good one but i just meant that say if the Semis ended up being Italy vs Argentina & France vs england - for me that would be tough to beat (added to how this one has gone so far)
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If those games were then great battles i'd agree mkk!
Don't count the germans out against Argentina - Argentina have not been as good as everybody has made out!
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:19 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:17 AM) |
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:16 AM) | | QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:13 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I loved Japan's dramatic qualification :D
Although the finals :whistle:
TBH, we weren't bad.
0-1 against Argentina.
0-1 against Croatia.
No shame in that. Especially that Croatia made it 3rd that year.
But...
I wouldn't want to talk about the other match :whistle: :rolleyes:
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that'll be the 2-1 reverse against Jamaica! roflmao
Let's be honest, from what i've seen in the last few years, the best Asias team in the competition is undoubtedly South Korea. No offence, but it's just true. The energy they put into every match is quite incredible!
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They shouldn't have gone that far in 2002. They corrupted those refs.
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Well they were better than japan! roflmao
Hiromiku - June 28, 2006 09:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:16 AM) |
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:09 AM) | | The 2002 was the worst ive seen in my lifetime (ok i know its been short). I like upsets and all but there were a few too many and it just made brazils passage a bit too easy and there seemed a lack of competition...this one could be one of the great WC depending on how things go in the next round. |
I wasn't really bothered by that, it's just the CORRUPTION!
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What, South Korea desrvedly getting to the Semis?
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Mkkreuk - June 28, 2006 09:21 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:18 AM) |
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:17 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I do remember it quite well actually. I can also remember parts of the 94 one as well though not too much. the 98 world cup finals was a good one but i just meant that say if the Semis ended up being Italy vs Argentina & France vs england - for me that would be tough to beat (added to how this one has gone so far)
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If those games were then great battles i'd agree mkk!
Don't count the germans out against Argentina - Argentina have not been as good as everybody has made out!
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From what ive seen i think they honestly are much better than brazil are being hyped up to be for instnace. I love watching them play these days - and i can only see them losing against germany due to potential home influence for the germans.
Hiromiku - June 28, 2006 09:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:19 AM) |
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:17 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:16 AM) | | QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:13 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I loved Japan's dramatic qualification :D
Although the finals :whistle:
TBH, we weren't bad.
0-1 against Argentina.
0-1 against Croatia.
No shame in that. Especially that Croatia made it 3rd that year.
But...
I wouldn't want to talk about the other match :whistle: :rolleyes:
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that'll be the 2-1 reverse against Jamaica! roflmao
Let's be honest, from what i've seen in the last few years, the best Asias team in the competition is undoubtedly South Korea. No offence, but it's just true. The energy they put into every match is quite incredible!
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They shouldn't have gone that far in 2002. They corrupted those refs.
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Well they were better than japan! roflmao
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In which sense?
Corruption?
There wasn't one bit of corruption from the Japanese.
Playing?
They would've done about the same if they had our draw...
We lost to Turkey...
They later on lost to Turkey...
We dominated the Turks in possession...
The Koreans didn't...
:shrug:
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:26 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:20 AM) |
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:16 AM) | | QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:09 AM) | | The 2002 was the worst ive seen in my lifetime (ok i know its been short). I like upsets and all but there were a few too many and it just made brazils passage a bit too easy and there seemed a lack of competition...this one could be one of the great WC depending on how things go in the next round. |
I wasn't really bothered by that, it's just the CORRUPTION!
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What, South Korea desrvedly getting to the Semis?
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I remember the totti red card well - and it was a dive!
the spain game admittedly was one where Korea were fortunate - but it was heroic from them and they should be applauded! :D :clap:
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:26 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:21 AM) |
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:18 AM) | | QUOTE (Mkkreuk @ Jun 28 2006, 10:17 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I do remember it quite well actually. I can also remember parts of the 94 one as well though not too much. the 98 world cup finals was a good one but i just meant that say if the Semis ended up being Italy vs Argentina & France vs england - for me that would be tough to beat (added to how this one has gone so far)
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If those games were then great battles i'd agree mkk!
Don't count the germans out against Argentina - Argentina have not been as good as everybody has made out!
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From what ive seen i think they honestly are much better than brazil are being hyped up to be for instnace. I love watching them play these days - and i can only see them losing against germany due to potential home influence for the germans.
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I can see the Argies losing to Germany, France or Italy
sir matchstickmen - June 28, 2006 09:28 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:22 AM) |
| QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:19 AM) | | QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:17 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:16 AM) | | QUOTE (Hiromiku @ Jun 28 2006, 10:13 AM) | | QUOTE (sir matchstickmen @ Jun 28 2006, 10:11 AM) | | Do you remember the 98 one that well mkk? That was an amazing tournament, there were so many open games in it! |
I loved Japan's dramatic qualification :D
Although the finals :whistle:
TBH, we weren't bad.
0-1 against Argentina.
0-1 against Croatia.
No shame in that. Especially that Croatia made it 3rd that year.
But...
I wouldn't want to talk about the other match :whistle: :rolleyes:
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that'll be the 2-1 reverse against Jamaica! roflmao
Let's be honest, from what i've seen in the last few years, the best Asias team in the competition is undoubtedly South Korea. No offence, but it's just true. The energy they put into every match is quite incredible!
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They shouldn't have gone that far in 2002. They corrupted those refs.
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Well they were better than japan! roflmao
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In which sense?
Corruption?
There wasn't one bit of corruption from the Japanese.
Playing?
They would've done about the same if they had our draw...
We lost to Turkey...
They later on lost to Turkey...
We dominated the Turks in possession...
The Koreans didn't...
:shrug:
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I remember the match, and much as I wanted the Japanese to do well for their home crowd, they weren't good enough to beat Turkey!
And Turkey also made the semi finals, losing to brazil. South Korea lost to Germany by a ballack goal in a match that they actually had the better of...