Men's singles seeds:
1. Roger Federer (Swi)
2. Rafael Nadal (Spa)
3. Andy Roddick (US)
4. Novak Djokovic (Ser)
5. Fernando Gonzalez (Chi)
6. Nikolay Davydenko (Rus)
7. Tomas Berdych (Cze)
8. Andy Murray (GB)
9. James Blake (US)
10. Marcos Baghdatis (Cyp)
11. Tommy Robredo (Spa)
12. Richard Gasquet (Fra)
13. Tommy Haas (Ger)
14. Mikhail Youzhny (Rus)
15. Ivan Ljubicic (Cro)
16. Lleyton Hewitt (Aus)
17. David Ferrer (Spa)
18. Mario Ancic (Cro)
19. Jarkko Nieminen (Fin)
20. Jonas Bjorkman (Swe)
21. Juan Carlos Ferrero (Spa)
22. Dmitry Tursunov (Rus)
23. Guillermo Canas (Arg)
24. David Nalbandian (Arg)
25. Juan Ignacio Chela (Arg)
26. Carlos Moya (Spa)
27. Marat Safin (Rus)
28. Philipp Kohlschreiber (Ger)
29. Robin Soderling (Swe)
30. Agustin Calleri (Arg)
31. Filippo Volandri (Ita)
32. Juan Monaco (Arg)

Any comments?

Current men's rankings:

1 Roger Federer 7290
2 Rafael Nadal 5225
3 Andy Roddick 3055
4 Nikolay Davydenko 3040
5 Novak Djokovic 3010
6 Fernando Gonzalez 2780
7 Tommy Robredo 2200
8 Andrew Murray 2085
9 James Blake 2075
10 Tommy Haas 1960
11 Tomas Berdych 1945
12 Richard Gasquet 1900
13 Ivan Ljubicic 1885
14 Mikhail Youzhny 1800
15 David Ferrer 1725
16 Lleyton Hewitt 1330
17 Marcos Baghdatis 1570
18 Guillermo Canas 1522
19 Juan Carlos Ferrero 1355
20 Juan Ignacio Chela 1305
21 Jarkko Nieminen 1300
22 Carlos Moya 1255
23 Mario Ancic 1175
24 Dimitry Tursunov 1155
25 Marat Safin 1125
26 David Nalbandian 1115
27 Filippo Volandri 987
28 Philipp Kohlschreiber 985
29 Robin Soderling 965
30 Agustin Calleri 960
31 Jurgen Melzer 950
32 Jonas Bjorkman 955

Not too many changes - except poor old davydenko. Berdych jumps up somewhat - is that just based on his Halle performance? Baggy has moved up a lot as well - i guess based on last years wimby and this years halle??

Yeah. Baggy's move up is right in your face isn't it. Am in two minds over that. I guess we will see how he performs!

My first comment is about the number 8 seed. It was important Murray gets inside the top 8 so he would not have to meet any of the more proven grass players before the quarters. Being 9th or more would mean that he would have had to play one of them in the round 4. Of course all this considers a "no-upset" approach and we know reality is full of it.

Berdych got to the final of Halle last year as well as winning it this year.

Given how few grass tournaments there are that's got to have a decent effect on his ranking.

That's true. Also gotta hope he actually manages to play as well. And if he does, he will be very open to an upset given his preparation.

This is grand. I was a bit concerned when Djokovic was pushed to No 5 after Roddick's win at Queen's, since I wasn't sure if Davydenko would be shunted down or not, but there he is with a Top 4 seeding. The draw remains to be seen, of course, but I would imagine he will live up to it and reach his second Slam semi in a row (if not further!)

Also chuffed to see Murray with a Top 8 seeding. It should help him go further than the R16 this time round, which is crucial if he wants to maintain himself in the Top 10 as he has a slew of points to defend in the upcoming US hard court season.

Berdych did get a nicer boost than I might have anticipated, but he did go out to Federer himself in the R16 last year, and back-to-back Halle finals (winning the title on the second try) seems more than enough justification. The seeding should see him go far as well, as he seems to have rediscovered both his game and confidence of late.

Oh, and a Top 16 seeding for Hewitt seems to have been a good call as well.

*mild totally off the subject rant*

why is it that when eurosport post the rankings they make really weird errors ? Like the whole of the top 10 is correct, and all the points are correct, they've just forgotten to drop Hewitt from 16-19 :angry:

Institutional bias on the part of eurosport??? :angry: :angry:

thanks, i feel better now :blush:

does anyone know how they work out the doubles rankings? do they apply the same formula?

As far as I know they don't bother changing the doubles.

Do they base it on the race then?

Just the normal doubles rankings I would assume.

Depending on the draw, there's a fair chance we'll see 1st round upsets for the following seeds: Davydenko, Caliieri, Volandri (great to watch on clay but I reckon he could be a bit of a one surface wonder) and Monaco.
(betting fans keep a watch on those for 1st round upsets)

Chela, Moya, Nieminen and of course Safin may also be slightly vulnerable if facing a decent grasscourt player in 1st round.

Good to see Djokovic at 4 - Murray has been kindly put up to 8, but the kid has been injured so I won't grumble with that.

Actually Murray's ranking is legitimately No 8 as of this week, as a consequence of first Ljubicic and then Blake sliding past him. No favours have been done as the bumping up of Berdych may have seen him out of the Top 8 seedings had Robredo not been conversely sent down further.

Bjorkman's had a huge hike, but then again he's a much better grass court player than a lot of the seeds. :)

Surprised to see Haas there, he's not meant to be playing :unsure:

No real qualms with the seedings. Of the top 16, Robredo and Davydenko are the ones most vulnerable to getting knocked out early.

If the other 14 get through, then there could be some interesting matchups. I know that Lluby has a rubbish slam record, but surely grass is suited to his game? Maybe Haas could be a little vulnerable too (if actually playing?), and I do have my doubts about Murray, just because he's been out of the loop for so long. Marat? Oh, I don't know, hope springs eternal and all that, but he's just a law unto himself.

It's a shame that Ancic isn't 100%, and unlikely to play. He would have been a good addition to the top 16. Oh well.

So, if say 12 of the top 16 make the 4th round, along with Henman (well, why not, in spite of today's defeat?), Mahut, and a couple of surprise packages, and we could be in for a few good matchups. Glad to see most of the good grasscourt players in the top 16, thus avoiding the horribly imbalanced draw of last year.

I forgot to mention I think - Blake and Roddick are vulnerable. Especially if they continue their up and down form of the last year or so. I do find it hard to beleive that Blake is a top 10 seed here. I know he got to the Queen's Final last year but as far as I'm concerned he's no belle of the grass ball as it were. :D He'll probably go far now I've said that, but if he does it will be one of his 'good' periods most likely to be followed by a slump later on. He really worries me with his inconsistency, as does Roddick.

No one really mentions it here because he is so deservedly number 2 at the moment, but Nadal in my view is certainly not number 2 on grass! I would not be surprised to see him go in the first week depending on the draw, especially if it keeps raining like the last few days.
I certainly cannot see him repeat his last year performance. If he does, you won't hear for me for 3 months, if he wins it ...for ever!

...But do not rejoice yet!

Bjorkman is a big winner in the seeding formula, too. He just squeaked into the Top 32 in the rankings and, because of his performance at Wimbledon last year, jumps to No. 20 seed.

As Haas and Ancic are both unlikely to play :( Dominik Hrbaty and Mardy Fish are both likely to be seeded, or is Fish still injured as well? Or Florian Mayer could sneak into the seedings...

He's isn't world No 2 on grass to me either Tenez. I would possibly have him in the latter part of the top 10 at most. I guessthe alledged basis for this No2 seeding is that he was last year's RU. However, i reckon it's so as they can do their best to gurantee a Nadal v Federer final which tbh I don't care to see on grass. It's all abotu popular players and bums on seats I guess. :(

They're adjusted seedings for the Slam, not definitive world rankings on the surface. Current rankings can't be completely disregarded or Davydenko would have been sent out of the Top 16 entirely. :lol:

Leaving Nadal as No 2 seed last year was far more questionable, when Roddick was still twice-defending finalist and held a Queen's title and SF finish; at No 5 in the rankings then, a bump to No 2 seed would have been within reason on his record. This time round however Nadal was the runner-up last year, as much as everyone seems to want to discount the result, and has reached the quarters at Queen's twice in a row; he's also got a much tighter hold on the No 2 spot, some 1000 points more than last year at this time.

Yep I agree - I don't question his seeding but rather the arbitrary seeding of Wimb organisers. If they want to apply a "grass" ranking, then it shoudl be an official one based on ranking points earned on grass over the last 2 years for instance, but not a stew of what they think is right, what the ranking says, what they would prefer and who they like. Why not consider star signs while they are at it?

They do have a formula:

And has anyone checked whether it adds up?

I am not convinced.

well, i'd assume that the players might complain if it was seriously wrong. I think it used to be completely arbirtary but they changed it after so many complaints so that there's some sort of formula.

and no, i haven't checked if it adds up - doing maths is not the best use of my spare time :P

Nadal's lead in the number 2 spot is so commanding that there is no way that he can be caught with any grass court formula.

In fact the only way he wouldn't be the number 2 seed is if the seedings were purely arbitary.

Plus I'd like to know who should be the number 2 seed!?

Roddick I suppose since none or the rest of the top 10 has his record on grass but he did go out early last year after all and for me Roddick beating Federer at Wimbledon is much more unlikely than Nadal doing it.

I know a lot of people would like to ignore or dismiss Nadal being the runner up last year but it happened. If he had never got past the 3rd round at Wimbledon you might have a case but he has and given that, he has to be the number 2 seed.

Fair enough but he would never had made last year's final without that rather helpful draw. Several good grass courter players could have made that final if they were not in Fed's half of the draw. :whistle:

Possibly! Can't be definite about that though.

Plus it's not like anyone else with grass court form is really looking incredible. Roddick struggled through Queens, Hewitt crashed out early, Grosjean has lost it & Ancic may not even play. Plus none of the youngsters have done much on grass as yet.

True enough at the moment. Although last year I guess things were a little different. We expected good performances from Gasquet, Ancic, Berdych, Henman - all of whom lost to Fed as one would expect. As did Mahut, who looks great on grass at the mo but is far too low ranked for a seeding and playing qualies. Ancic perfromed well last year though. If he were playing he should be above Nadal IMO cos he is really excellent on grass. Even though Hewitt has had a bad grass season so far, I'd give him the edge over Nadal on grass, all things beign normal, i.e.e no injuries and loss of form.

Nadal got to last years final because he was the second best player in the draw. Did Gasquet, Berdych etc get anywhere near it? No. Nadal is the second seed more than deservedly so :D

They all met the fate of Fed. Would Rafa have got there if he had met Fed before the final? He nearly went out in Round 1 to Kendrick.

I dont live my life on maybes SB, i live it on evidence roflmao roflmao roflmao

Rafa was the only player that took a set off Roger in last years tournament as well. I don't think anyone is a better no.2 seed.

The Wimbledon Final was very close, in retrospect it should have gone to 5 sets!

Last year's quarterfinalist Ancic won't be able to avail himself of his slightly boosted seeding (from 23 to 18), having now officially withdrawn because of his ongoing struggle with glandular fever. The tourney will be the lesser for it, in my opinion. He really shines on the surface.

I believe that gives Hrbaty a seeded spot. Not particularly exciting considering he's gone out in the first round 7 out of 10 times, and has never gone further than the third.

Haas is still unsure if he's fit to return from injury layoff in time (perhaps that freak warm-up accident at SW19 a couple of years back is looming large in his memory), and similarly Murray is still being coy about whether he'll play. I find it amusing, incidentally, that Blake is suddenly counseling the latter to be as cautious as possible in deciding, given that he would nab a Top 8 seeding in place of the Scot. Hardly a disinterested party. :P

Not sure what havoc will be wrought on the draw if either or both only withdraw after it's been made.

Neither Gasquet or Berdych got bagelled despite meeting a Federer in the zone. Nadal did! If it was not for the added pressure of what was at stake for Fed, it could have been a 3 setter.

Any idea what time the draw is due today?