Is our society becoming emasculated?, are feminine values becoming elevated while masculine values downgraded? Has feminism itself become a dogma of oppression?
Seems to me (as a straight (ish) man-not sure if that's relevant, but you can judge for yourselves) that many of our institutions and practices are being de-bollocked, in favour of a more fashionable testosterone free, lavender scented approach.
There is no pay gap (unfashionable as it is to say it). The average woman's wage is lower than that of men, and that is fair because the average man's working week is longer. God help us, even at Wimbledon women will receive the same pay for less work (whatever the arguments this is an empirical fact) women have a higher rate of pay-they get payed 40% more than their male counterparts
Oh and women get their pensions 5 years before men if they want it.

Take education as one very good example For years now, girls have been taking the lion’s share of success in public examinations. . Girls out perform boys in almost every subject.
Of course, it is good news that girls are doing so well. It's worrying that boys seem to be slipping further and further behind. For this trend isn’t confined to the high-fliers passing exams. At the bottom of the system, the drop-out rate among boys is causing serious concern.

More than 60 per cent of new doctors are now women, and in less than a decade they will outnumber men. This dramatic change in the balance between the sexes has serious implications.
The medical profession is in an increasingly parlous position because of the number of women doctors. This is because they choose patterns of working that allow them to combine their career with looking after their children.
As a result, GPs’ surgeries are struggling to cope with the fact that so many of their number are women who want to work part-time. This means there aren’t enough doctors to cover the patients’ lists. Meanwhile, patients find to their dismay that they are less likely to be treated by the doctor who knows them because everyone is having to fill in for the part-time GPs.
the fact is that most working mothers are not prepared to make the 24-hour commitment that she says medicine requires. Part-time doctoring or less demanding specialities provide a better work-life balance for such women. The problem is the effect this is having on the medical profession.

Education and the medical profession are but two examples, there are many others i could site, but more worryingly masculine 'virtues' in a broad sense are being de-valued. Men are increasingly portrayed as idiotic in mainstream culture, women are more and more seen as wise antidotes to man's over indulgence and stupidity.
The cry of feminism was about equality, but can men and women ever truly be equal? i think the sexes occupy different but complementary positions, isn't that what attracts us to one or the other in the first place.

No, because women are growing balls!

;)

Good point!

is this garbage opinion yours BT, or did you borrow this from someone.

My opinions are my own, it's quite easy to have one, you merely have to think things through-have a go at it sometime, you might surprise yourself!
Maybe next time-when you've formed an opinion you could challenge me on any aspect of the content of my post, and then i'll coherently show you that you are wrong.

The question 'are society's bollocks being cut off?' posted by 'big todger'..

Hmm. I sense a topical element here. btw your posting name doesn't exactly do you favours if people haven't seen your more articulate posts.. imho.

in terms of your question, I would say, no, men aren't necessarily being compromised here. 2 reasons:

1. In a society where achievement by merit is increasingly recognised, then those that do excel will gain a greater cultural impact. It's up to men to get their acts together if they feel marginalised.

2. Also, yes, the 'hunter gatherer' alpha male is needed less than ever, certainly in highly industrialised societies.

This needn't emasculate males, if they are self aware and develop aspects of masculinity that are viewed favourably/ fit well in modern industrialised society. Given that (for example) the vast majority of violent crime is commited by men, then I honestly can't say that it is a bad thing. Also in the trades, the traditionally male plumbing/ building professions are booming. So how come there is a massive shortage on that front?

But certainly any male that does feel threatened is not moving with the times and realising that they can adapt and still flourish.

And yes, re: previous point, women are certainly adopting behavioural patterns that are usually deemed masculine.. I recall thinking that some of the women on the Apprentice served as a very good example of that.

You could argue that it's a natural stage of human evolution that society becomes emasculated.

In fact women don't even need us anymore do they :shrug:

Still I suppose it's up to a man to find a woman who does need him and just stick with her B)

This is true to an extent. I wouldn't argue that women need men less than men need women.

What men do lack is the ability to communicate effectively. They risk the result in becoming increasingly isolated. That is more of a concern than them being emasculated.

I think that it's partly about ego. The male is no longer dominant, what can it now do? It's just that women now settle for less crap from men because they are less dependent on them. I'd agree that the emasculating of men could well be a natural evolutionary process. The proliferation of numerous sci fi stories of the more androgynous nature of the human race obviously indicates that this could well viewed as a sign of things to come by many.

feminism is a point of view. We should respect it but at the same time its a viewpoint not set in stone ;)

Exactly, it is my view that human evolution evolves at least spiritualy and mentally briding the gap between the sexes. Man will need to become less egocentric and more communacative. And I think it's safe to say that man has at least to some degree......

Also I think that as we come to understand more about the world we live in and zoom out to see more of the bigger picture so to speak, that divisors like gender (race creed etc.) become less of an issue.

i take your point , my initial post is too nebulous, but i think you get the idea.

I think one of the beauty of this world is actually its gender differentiation and trying to make us equal in everything is one of the absurdity of this modern world.

We are equal certainly .....but in absolute value only. Like |1| = |-1| but at the same time diametraly opposed. In more romantic words, men are from Mars, women from Venus. And thank God for that.

So in that respect I prefectly undertand BT's post as our societies are experiencing with some relatively fresh ideas based on pure reasoning but are often neglecting a more subtle side of our nature...our differences.

I could expand a lot on this but have no time. Intersting subject nonetheless.

BT - with all due respect you sound like the typical man who is thrown into panic because women are now achieving their full potential in society since sexist barriers were removed, and naturally you feel threatened, especialyl as women are doign rather well at things. All I can say is as a woman, about bloody time. :clap: I can see why you feel threatened, but as a woman my mother and grandmother had to play sesond fiiddle to men and occupy quite a poor place in society. Thats' worse than being threatened IMO.

And a couple of other points - if anyone said this about ethnic minorities in a similar sentiment, they'd be deemed xenophobic. Say it about women though and it seems it's ok. If we get annoyed we are sensitive and emasculating machines! roflmao If a black person gets annoyed abotu similar racist stuff, it's acceptable, and fo course ti should be, but women are expected to take a lot of shit IMO. And as one believe me I have, mainly from men too. So I coudl say that in some ways men have asked for this, but I woudl not go that far, I just want equlity - end of really. :)

What you say about the 'threat' of women's workign patterns is objectionable and naive to me. It's children that have often held women back, the childbearing role is IMO almost entirely responsible for their lack of equal opps over the years. Now we can't help the fact that we have the kids, it's biological. But men have expected us to stay home or work in crap jobs over the years to fill our so called complimentary roel adn that really isn't fair. I did want kids years back but I've sacrificed that for education and career becaseu I knew that it woudl hod em back and I've seen to many women end up screwed over by men who leave them holdign the baby while they work, or even simply leave them. I wasn't going to let that happen to me, but even so I think it's bad that women liek me have to be so defintie and sacrifice having kids to get anywhwere. men shoudl support us and share that role more rather than expect us to get on with it. Btw I am certainyl not 'lavender scented' and I dont; have balls, nor want to remove any! roflmao