Just out of interest, who beleives in the existence of the paranormal, as in ghosts, evil spirits etc Is there another side or are we it? Do restless spirits haunt houses or are we totally over when we die? Can people exorcise spirits? And what about supernatural powers like the gift of seeing the future, via dreams or otherwise, telekenesis, psychometry etc? And people who claim they can contact the 'other side', as in with ouja borads, seances etc? Are they fakes or real?

Anyone had any spooky experinces they'd like to tell us about?

My view in a nutshell is that I do beleive there is something out there, and I do beleive in ghosts. I have had a few wierd experinces, but my father who is a down-to-earth and no frills type who doesnt; beleive in non-concrete things had a terrifying experience with a ghost (witnessed by 3 others) and that really made me think there must be some truth in it. I know a few people who've had similar experinces. And I've read tons on this to convince me that ghosts exist. it is possible that we are prey to some psychological hoax of course, and I'm sure many supernatural experiences were imagined but I dont; think all of them are.

On those who claim to have special powers, I see some truth in this, but sadly like in all areas of life there are many fakers making a fast buck. It's very easy to feed off psychologial defciences and exploit people's need for guidance and reassurance through things like mediums, clarvoyants, tarot etc. Cleverly such people subtlely gather info about the person and state the obvious based on that. Or they say vague sweeping things that the desperate person latches onto and interprets in a specific way when it was onyl very general. However, once again I have heard of very intelligent, sceptical and gorunded people being given scarily accurate info from psychics who did not know anything about them. It may be a fluke but my onyl dabble with tarot was scarily spot on. A couple of people who dabble in the paranormal and dont; know me at all have picked up on things they could not possibly know about me and it made me a bit spooked .......

Anyway have fun and discuss :)

Ive an open mind about this. I do know one or two people like your father, who are totally reliable and down to earth and who would never talk nonsense , sayn they had experienced ghosts . In fact I had one strange thing happen I cant explain. I was fishing in a river, saw someone walking on the opposite bank , two minutes later he had disappeared !
I crossed over and there was no sign of him. The only place he could have gone was over a fence into a field about half a mile wide and there was nowhere for him to hide.
It was strange, but not scary .

Just a thought, but maybe there are ghosts on the internet ? :yikes:
Would explain a lot about SF for example

Here's an article...

http://www.watchtower.org/e/20010715/article_01.htm

roflmao I guess there could be ghosts on -line, if they exist then I guess they can join message boards, I mean we do have that phantom person! :D

I knwo what you mean y your experience, that's happened to me. Could be that they legged ti over a field but not likely is it? :shrug:

Where I am staying whilst house hunting, there is a hotel called The Smuggler's Haunt. It's an ancient old fisherman's inn and is a couple of hundred years old at least. I had nto idea it was hauted, I stayed there though. We heard a lot of bumps in the night but put it down to drunks like us coming in late and creaky floorboards. In the morning the landlady asked if we had seen the ghost, some old fisherman. She reckoned the noise was him, as she'd heard ti and got up and all the guests were asleep. All the locals are convinced it is haunted, and reckon lots of guests have heard or seen strange things. It coudl all be a myth, but the people I spoke to seemed quite matter of fact about it. The place is awful so PLEASE dont; go there though! roflmao

I went to see a medium once and she gave me a message from my brother. She didn't know I had a dead brother. She named him correctly and told me things about him thatshe couldn't have guessed. That pretty much convinced me that there is something "out there". Suffice to say, as SB says, there are loads of fakers and charlatans who bring the reputation of the genuine ones down. I've never been back to one - my curiosity was satisfied. That's my take on it folks.

I'd always been absolutely adamant that ghosts and the like don't exist, and it's all just absolute rubbish.

That was until a few things happened and I started to question my own beliefs. For a start I worked in a place which was supposedly haunted and ended up in a room one night where the ghost supposedly resided - and it's difficult to explain, but there was definitely a presence there. Not in a bad way or anything.....just......something.

Then i was at a friend's house and they'd been telling me about how there was a lady ghost in their kitchen, which i was slightly skeptical about. Until my then-b/f walked in to the kitchen, picked up a glass which proceeded to shatter in his hand. And not just, a little bit broke off, i mean it completely shattered, bits all over the kitchen - he was pretty lucky to get away with a few cuts really.

I've had various experiences after family members have died as well, which has kind of made me believe that there is another plane of existence.....

That is very interesting. I don't believe what Jehovas believe though, but it does pose interesting questions about whether we have a spirit and what happens to it when we die. I dont; think we can ever really prove what does happen, but while I keep hearing abotu supernatural incidents and hauntings I can't totally beleive that the spirit is fully extinguishable on death. I'm not religious but in my humble opinion I do feel that reincarnation is a more likely thing than going to heaven or hell.

I’ve never had any pronominal experiences, but know people who have claimed to see ghosts, i guess the nub of this is deciding whether the ghosts are objective or subjective.
Having said that i don’t fancy coming back as a ghost myself and clanking my chains for all eternity, scaring the s**t out
of people might be fun at first but i guess it would be boring.

What do ghosts do anyway? turn up at seamces, hang around old buildings, they don’t eat, dont have sex, blimey
the more i think about it the more i feel sorry for the poor buggers.

"You know what the dead do with most of their time? They watch the living. Especially in the shower. " (Dogma)

roflmao

That's what I was thinking - but not being able to touch after a while would be awful - like an eternal lap dance.

Back to the subject - I don't really believe in a paranormal, but I have definitely been to places where I have felt a 'presence', which I have put down to internal feelings.


ps. If you are wondering, I have experienced a lap dance in Toronto once on a stag weekend and when my lustful feelings had subsided (the girls were extremely pretty) it did seem pretty pointless to me so I have not repeated it.

I love the idea of ghosts and the supernatural - and whilst I have had no experience of it myself - other than a peaceful feeling in graveyards or visiting graves, rememberance places, my aunt who lost her son claims to have had some sort of experience with his ghost.

I was never sure if it was just wishful thinking, or whether something may have happened, but its nice to think he visited to give her some sort of peace before leaving for somewhere else.

Liking the subject change, good work barry :ok: You should come to one of the clubs in Colombia with me some time if you want REAL lap-dancing; perhaps TV could join us instead of that proposed skiing venture?

Somewhat reluctantly back on track, I've never had any experiences of my own, but there are simply too many people who have (or claim to have) to totally discount such a theory. My ex-girlfriend's mum was really into her paranormal stuff, she was part of a group who frequently visited haunted houses. She believed that dreams (and nightmares) were strongly parallel to the 'outside' world, and would often decipher my dreams in a somewhat bizarre way. It was when I realised that, somewhat spookily in itself, that I was more attracted to her than her daughter that I decided to poltergeist myself out that that relationship :blink:

roflmao Now having images of Wise Analyst having the hots for Tangina Barrons from the Poltergeist movies.

I once woke up in bed, and there was this ghostly shadow on the wall and it sort of flew at me and i couldnt move or breath, and i was trying to scream to wake my partner up but nothing came out of my mouth. It was quite terrifying. Then a woman i worked with described the same phenomena, and apparently she got this priest round her house, and he pointed to this wooden elephant she had on her mantel piece and said it was cursed. She said her father brought it back from India. Well, you will never guess where my ex used to work? Hydrabad, the same place Thelma got hers from :yikes: I told him to dump it but he refused. I never believed in anything until that happened, and still am sceptical about most things

See I tend to be very sceptical about "ghosts" per se and people who have supernatural powers. But when people tell stories like that it really does make me wonder.

However, I don't doubt there is more to the world than we see with our own eyes. Perhaps I don't believe people just because Im jealous that I don't have the "sight" or whatever it's called roflmao

OMG, well they say objects can influence things.

I read this in a book I have called Spuernatural in West Cornwall. This lady got an antique armchair and after that she gradually started to experince ill health and misfortune. She started drinking a lot and became unhappy and bad tempered. She made no link to the chair until one of her friends said that she had never been right since that chair arrived. When she investigagted it's history it turned out that the previous owner was a rather nasty and bad tempered alcoholic who would sit in it most night drinking himself into oblviion and he died unhappy. I think she got a phsychic in who said that there was something nasty abotu the chair and then she got shut of it. After this her health and mood inproved and she got things back on track.

I must admit to be highly superstitious about owls. I started collecting them and took them into work once, and I'm nto sayign the owls were the cause but I never had much luck. My colleague told me they were unlucky and drainign my energy. Stupid I know, but we wrapped them up in loo roll and disposed of them in to bin outside KFC one day! roflmao Things didn't improv emuch at work mind, I was fired eventually roflmao

My fear of owls has caused huge embarassment as a very pricey brooch was given to me by George's mother and guess what - it ia a bloody owl! :o I wont; wear it, I just can't. I kept makign excuses and she found out in the end why i wont; wear it. She then got me a new one, and guess what - the onyl bloody insect thing I am scared of is a beetle. This brooch has one of them on it! I never wear it either but she's never asked why roflmao

Hmmmmm - I have a cousin once-removed who is some sort of a healer. She does her work by laying on hands and there is definitely something about her. I have been to see her twice.

I guess I am generally a sceptic, but have an open mind.

For example, I would never go near a ouja board because I think that they can unleash lots of nasty things - surely that indicates that I have some sort of belief?

oooo - I am on the same on that one - just dont like the idea of it at all :yikes:

Im wondering how often in your lives you've come across ouja boards to be afraid of going near them? :lol:

I've never even seen one :shrug: I probably wouldn't realise what it was and would sit on it or something roflmao

I think I have been asked once or twice if I would like to join in a session - I had nothing to do with it.

The Gift or something like that, or in fact it is also called The Shining. :D
Apparently you have ti if you are the 7th child of a 7th child, so they say in the movies. :D

Have you never dreamt of anything that has happened later? I have, but I am not sure how that happens. The subconscious is a wierd thing. And have you ever been anywhere that is exactly as you thought it might be even though you have never been? I viewed this house a few years back, it had rooms just like I'd dreamt about, it was wierd. I wanted to buy it but they sold it before I could up my offer. I dreant abotu it for 2 years and it stopped. Guess what si spooky - the flat i am renting now I had no idea that it was near this place, I though it was some distance away. It was the onyl flat i saw for rent and I went for it. Guess what house is right next door to my balcony? The one of my dreams ...... wierd. And I spend all my time on my blacony facing that rather than facing the sea. I had not noticed this, but George says I am totally fixated by the place. No idea if I am just mad but I keep thinking of a Victorian woman dressed as a servant/ housekeeper. I was told a rich merchant lived in it and had a housekeeper. Well maybe it is all silly, but I have no idea why i am so drawn to this place. Well, I'll be seeing it in about 4 hours so wonder if I'm gonna get a visit from this woman's ghost? :o roflmao

No I would not touch one with a barge pole. I'm scared me :o I know a few who have and reported odd things happening. You can fake it though, some people move the glass themselves and stuff.

So basically, deja vu then? That's another one, I've never really had it though.

I watched the Shining the other night on DVD btw, it's good :D Im going to read the book at some point I think.

A medium once told me i was being possessed by the spirit of a dead school friend-because i fainted on a bus :wacko: Plus nobody died that i know of when i was at school. I have always been the type of person that wont believe something til they see it. Mind you, my mates often ask if i am possessed :P

roflmao

I think that trying to mix different planes of existence is always gonna be a bad idea, and there is always some chance that you'll unleash some kind of hell......

Someone watches buffy :lol:

DJ, whats your new sig?

nope.

and liam - i don't have a new sig..... :blink:

Perhaps you will soon, and liam has seen a vision of it. :D

There is always something out there.... exactly what I dont know.....

There's certainly plenty of anecdotal evidence, but no objective-scientific evidence for ghosts. When people talk about having experienced the supernatural in some way, it has to be asked, is there anyway they could be wrong about the conclusion that it was supernatural. For example could these things be natural phenomenon
we just have no knowledge of at the moment, or could people be subject to some sort of delusion or misapprehension of the world.
In other words are ghosts within the realm of the physical world rather than some intrusion from another.
The philosopher David Hume, quite cleverly i think, reckoned that our skepticism must always be raised if the thing about which we are asked to believe is extraordinary.
For example if someone tells you it's raining outside we can take them at their word because what they speak of is not unusual. If someone says they've seen the Virgin Mary, we tend to require greater proof.
I'm not rejecting the possibility of ghosts or life after death, just that we need a measure of rational scepticism.

Yeah, but I still want liam to tell me what Dinky Jo's future sig looks like.

What happened to your sig Nick ?
Or are you up to your admin tricks again :P

for which I am extremely grateful :D :hug:

I know a few people who have tried to burn and destroy these things and have failed, deffo to be avoided.....

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Mine's a paranormal sig. You can only see it if you have "the gift."

so now im psychic as well as psychotic :lol:

I don't think there is such a thing as "paranormal"! Everything that happens is normal, only our lack of understanding makes them para - normal.