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SerenaW19 - April 17, 2007 11:25 AM (GMT)
Martina and Chrissie played in 14 Finals
Steffi and ASV played in 7 Finals
Martina and Steffi played in 6 Finals
Steffi and Seles played in 6 Finals
Serena and Venus played in 6 Finals
Billie Jean and Court played in 5 Finals
Goolagong and Evert played in 5 Finals
Court and Bueno played in 5 Finals
Billike Jean and Goolagong played in 4 Finals
Mandlikova and Navratilova played in 3 Finals
Steffi and Sabatini played in 3 Finals
ASV and Seles played in 3 Finals
Davenport and Venus played in 3 Finals
Henin and Clijsters have played in 3 Finals

Recent notables: Henin and Mauresmo have played in 2 Finals, Serena and Sharapova have played in 2 Finals.

It would nice to Justine and Serena to get a couple of Finals maybe and Venus and Justine also to play in another Final.

:)

barrystar - April 17, 2007 11:31 AM (GMT)
Also, Hingis lost two each against Davenport and Capriati

SerenaW19 - April 17, 2007 11:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (barrystar @ Apr 17 2007, 11:31 AM)
Also, Hingis lost two each against Davenport and Capriati

Yep I didn't include those though as Capriati and Davenport are not playing anymore, but it is interesting that for both of them 2/3 of their Grand Slams came against Hingis.....

Dark_Necrofear - April 17, 2007 12:01 PM (GMT)
Nice thread in which Martina and Chrissie defined consistency and comittment!
My 2 favourites Steffi and Sanchez also quite consistent.Sanchez was just unlucky is some against Steffi!

SerenaW19 - April 17, 2007 01:00 PM (GMT)
Yes Martina and Chrissie were incredibly consistent, and it shows how great Martina was that she won 10 of their 14 finals :bow:

Serena and Venus are doing well to be that high on the list though, shows how dominating they were...and they could still meet in more slam finals yet!

SerenaW19 - April 17, 2007 06:10 PM (GMT)
Martina and Chrissie played in 14 Finals Martina 10-4
Steffi and ASV played in 7 Finals Steffi 5-2
Martina and Steffi played in 6 Finals Steffi 4-2
Steffi and Seles played in 6 Finals 3-3
Serena and Venus played in 6 Finals Serena 5-1
Billie Jean and Court played in 5 Finals Court 4-1
Goolagong and Evert played in 5 Finals Evert 3-2
Court and Bueno played in 5 Finals Court 3-2
Billie Jean and Goolagong played in 4 Finals King 4-0
Mandlikova and Navratilova played in 3 Finals Mandlik 2-1
Steffi and Sabatini played in 3 Finals Steffi 2-1
ASV and Seles played in 3 Finals Seles 2-1
Davenport and Venus played in 3 Finals Venus 3-0
Henin and Clijsters have played in 3 Finals Henin 3-0

Dark_Necrofear - April 18, 2007 08:42 AM (GMT)
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ASV and Seles played in 3 Finals Seles 2-1


Please tell me what 2 other slam finals they played in coz I can only remember Roland Garros 98....

chairman - April 18, 2007 10:35 AM (GMT)
While you guys are at it have a look at this:


List in order of most career earings according to WTAtour.com
Tournaments played/ Tournaments won/Career Earnings
Graf: 222/107/$21,895,277
Davenport: 239/51/$21,763,653
Navratilova: 387 /168/$21,626,089
Hingis: 170/43/$20,033,600
Serena: 97/28/$17,790,522
Venus: 137/34/$16,398,689
Clijsters: 137/34/$14,841,947
Henin: 132/31/$14,298,124

barrystar - April 18, 2007 11:03 AM (GMT)
Shows the growth in prize money in recent times - Graf's % success rate is extraordinary, so too is Navratilova's longevity.

Funny to see such a relative under-achiever in GS terms as Clijsters on that list.

Was Davenport a bit of a choker? Looks like she was good at collecting money, suggesting she was always in the latter stages of tournaments, but her GS count is low for such exalted company.

Roysie - April 18, 2007 11:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Apr 18 2007, 02:42 AM)
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ASV and Seles played in 3 Finals Seles 2-1


Please tell me what 2 other slam finals they played in coz I can only remember Roland Garros 98....

FO 91 - Seles won 6-3, 6-4.
AO 92 - Seles won 6-2, 6-2.
FO 98 - ASV won 7-6, 0-6, 6-2.

Dark_Necrofear - April 18, 2007 11:22 AM (GMT)
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AO 92 - Seles won 6-2, 6-2.


Thanks for the other info,the above was a semi final!

The other match was the US Open Final 92 6-3 6-3

Never Knew they played 3 finals...interesting!

GS2 - April 18, 2007 11:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (barrystar @ Apr 18 2007, 11:03 AM)
Shows the growth in prize money in recent times - Graf's % success rate is extraordinary, so too is Navratilova's longevity.

Funny to see such a relative under-achiever in GS terms as Clijsters on that list.

Was Davenport a bit of a choker? Looks like she was good at collecting money, suggesting she was always in the latter stages of tournaments, but her GS count is low for such exalted company.

Lindsay wasn't the strongest at actually winning the slams, not choking exactly but also rarely one who could fight to the very end like Serena or Justine, though her money count has a lot to do with her long consistent career - she was basically a fixture in the top 10 for about 13 years after all and regularly made the later stages of big tournaments.

Clijsters won the YEC twice so that's $1m each time plus the year she won the US Open she also won the US Open series which doubles her prize money. Plus she played a lot of tournaments and almost always did well. She has had two very good years 2003 when she won 9 tournaments & 2005 when she won 8 in those two years alone she won over $4m each time I think.

Roysie - April 18, 2007 12:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Apr 18 2007, 05:22 AM)
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AO 92 - Seles won 6-2, 6-2.


Thanks for the other info,the above was a semi final!

The other match was the US Open Final 92 6-3 6-3

Never Knew they played 3 finals...interesting!

Sorry - misread the H2H :doh:

SerenaW19 - April 18, 2007 12:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GS2 @ Apr 18 2007, 11:33 AM)
QUOTE (barrystar @ Apr 18 2007, 11:03 AM)
Shows the growth in prize money in recent times - Graf's % success rate is extraordinary, so too is Navratilova's longevity.

Funny to see such a relative under-achiever in GS terms as Clijsters on that list.

Was Davenport a bit of a choker?  Looks like she was good at collecting money, suggesting she was always in the latter stages of tournaments, but her GS count is low for such exalted company.

Lindsay wasn't the strongest at actually winning the slams, not choking exactly but also rarely one who could fight to the very end like Serena or Justine, though her money count has a lot to do with her long consistent career - she was basically a fixture in the top 10 for about 13 years after all and regularly made the later stages of big tournaments.

Clijsters won the YEC twice so that's $1m each time plus the year she won the US Open she also won the US Open series which doubles her prize money. Plus she played a lot of tournaments and almost always did well. She has had two very good years 2003 when she won 9 tournaments & 2005 when she won 8 in those two years alone she won over $4m each time I think.

Yep, good points GS2, Kim and Lindsay both won a lot of tournaments and big ones too, but just came up against better players in their Grand Slam Finals.....

Also you can split Lindsay's career in two really, dominating 98-01 and then 2004-2006, a period where she was number one a lot and was quite unlucky not to win a slam, possibly because she just couldn't handle the younger champions for the duration.....

Dark_Necrofear - April 18, 2007 03:28 PM (GMT)
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Lindsay wasn't the strongest at actually winning the slams, not choking exactly but also rarely one who could fight to the very end like Serena or Justine,


Too true,Lindsay played hard only when she was almost guaranteed a win and to motivate that,look at that 2005 Wimbledon Final.She had match Point and still fought on to lose 9-7,however had she lost the first set and got injured same time in the second,I feel she would have retired!

She wasnt willing to fight a losing battle which was most of the time against the Williams Girls!

SerenaW19 - April 18, 2007 04:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Apr 18 2007, 03:28 PM)
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Lindsay wasn't the strongest at actually winning the slams, not choking exactly but also rarely one who could fight to the very end like Serena or Justine,


Too true,Lindsay played hard only when she was almost guaranteed a win and to motivate that,look at that 2005 Wimbledon Final.She had match Point and still fought on to lose 9-7,however had she lost the first set and got injured same time in the second,I feel she would have retired!

She wasnt willing to fight a losing battle which was most of the time against the Williams Girls!

You say she wasn't willing to fight a losing battle, but then you admitted above she fought on to 9-7 in third against Venus, well she was hardly guaranteed a win there; one of the exceptions perhaps :shrug:

I don't think she did have as much fight as some of the other girls, hence why she lost so many three setters to Sharapova, Serena and Justine, but she certainly wouldn't just give up and accept defeat. She just wouldn't last right until the last point like some of the others.

But Lindsay is definitely more of a front runner though, hence why she has won all of her Grand Slams in straight sets :)

chokapova - April 18, 2007 07:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Apr 18 2007, 10:38 AM)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Apr 18 2007, 03:28 PM)
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Lindsay wasn't the strongest at actually winning the slams, not choking exactly but also rarely one who could fight to the very end like Serena or Justine,


Too true,Lindsay played hard only when she was almost guaranteed a win and to motivate that,look at that 2005 Wimbledon Final.She had match Point and still fought on to lose 9-7,however had she lost the first set and got injured same time in the second,I feel she would have retired!

She wasnt willing to fight a losing battle which was most of the time against the Williams Girls!

You say she wasn't willing to fight a losing battle, but then you admitted above she fought on to 9-7 in third against Venus, well she was hardly guaranteed a win there; one of the exceptions perhaps :shrug:

I don't think she did have as much fight as some of the other girls, hence why she lost so many three setters to Sharapova, Serena and Justine, but she certainly wouldn't just give up and accept defeat. She just wouldn't last right until the last point like some of the others.

But Lindsay is definitely more of a front runner though, hence why she has won all of her Grand Slams in straight sets :)

To be honest though Lindsay rather underchieved regarding Grand Slam wins, she really should have won more than the three she did, good an achievement though that was. :ok:

BIG-TODGER - April 18, 2007 09:09 PM (GMT)
Lindsey was a great front runner in slam finals, but stuttered tremendously in the Australian she won against hingis, she was playing brilliantly until she was (and i'm sure someone will pick me up if i'm wrong) a set up and 4-1 in the second allowing hingis back into the match, she did eventually close it out to win in two, but you couldn't help wonder what went wrong.

SerenaW19 - April 18, 2007 09:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BIG-TODGER @ Apr 18 2007, 09:09 PM)
Lindsey was a great front runner in slam finals, but stuttered tremendously in the Australian she won against hingis, she was playing brilliantly until she was (and i'm sure someone will pick me up if i'm wrong) a set up and 4-1 in the second allowing hingis back into the match, she did eventually close it out to win in two, but you couldn't help wonder what went wrong.

Yeah she let Hingis have a string of 3 games. But she still closed it out 6-4 which still pretty convincing for a slam final. She played so well in her slam finals! She outplayed Martina Hingis once and it's not very often you see Steffi Graf get outplayed in a Grand Slam Final!

It's sad she couldn't play that well all the time....these are the kind of thoughts that cross my head as she loses the Indian Wells Final in 3 sets to Kim Clijsters :rolleyes:

(I think it might've been 5-1 :) )

Dark_Necrofear - April 19, 2007 08:08 AM (GMT)
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You say she wasn't willing to fight a losing battle, but then you admitted above she fought on to 9-7 in third against Venus, well she was hardly guaranteed a win there; one of the exceptions perhaps


You missing the point.I said she would only fight IF she was ALMOST guaranteed a win.She had match point I think at 5-4 Venus serving.And she was playing well.So she must have felt that was in with a REALLY GOOD shot thats why she fought.

Another Example is the Aussie Open Final 2005...She won the first set easily at 3-3 Second set,she had that long game on Serena Serve in which she couldnt break serve.Had she done that,that match would have been a different story because after that game she lost all wind in her sails and never won another game!

liam_valid - April 19, 2007 09:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Apr 19 2007, 09:08 AM)
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You say she wasn't willing to fight a losing battle, but then you admitted above she fought on to 9-7 in third against Venus, well she was hardly guaranteed a win there; one of the exceptions perhaps


You missing the point.I said she would only fight IF she was ALMOST guaranteed a win.She had match point I think at 5-4 Venus serving.And she was playing well.So she must have felt that was in with a REALLY GOOD shot thats why she fought.

Another Example is the Aussie Open Final 2005...She won the first set easily at 3-3 Second set,she had that long game on Serena Serve in which she couldnt break serve.Had she done that,that match would have been a different story because after that game she lost all wind in her sails and never won another game!

To say Linds never fought in that match against Venus is nonsense. She put everything she had into every point, unfortunately, so did Venus, and she just had that little bit more. Davenports attitutude problems seems to disappear when she got married, and imo she would have won more slams earlier on in her career had her mental approach been better. Still a legend though :bow:

SerenaW19 - April 19, 2007 10:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Apr 19 2007, 08:08 AM)
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You say she wasn't willing to fight a losing battle, but then you admitted above she fought on to 9-7 in third against Venus, well she was hardly guaranteed a win there; one of the exceptions perhaps


You missing the point.I said she would only fight IF she was ALMOST guaranteed a win.She had match point I think at 5-4 Venus serving.And she was playing well.So she must have felt that was in with a REALLY GOOD shot thats why she fought.

Another Example is the Aussie Open Final 2005...She won the first set easily at 3-3 Second set,she had that long game on Serena Serve in which she couldnt break serve.Had she done that,that match would have been a different story because after that game she lost all wind in her sails and never won another game!

But after 5-4 in that set, she WASN'T almost guaranteed a win yet she still put her all into it. That was what I was getting at ;)

Dark_Necrofear - April 19, 2007 12:06 PM (GMT)
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But after 5-4 in that set, she WASN'T almost guaranteed a win yet she still put her all into it. That was what I was getting at


In her mind after having sniffed a match point she thought it was worth the fight...Thats what you are missing.She believed she could do it hence the guarantee but that faded when she realised Venus was fitter...thats what you are missing!

SerenaW19 - April 19, 2007 04:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark_Necrofear @ Apr 19 2007, 12:06 PM)
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But after 5-4 in that set, she WASN'T almost guaranteed a win yet she still put her all into it. That was what I was getting at


In her mind after having sniffed a match point she thought it was worth the fight...Thats what you are missing.She believed she could do it hence the guarantee but that faded when she realised Venus was fitter...thats what you are missing!

Im sorry to be so contrary. But I know FULL well that Lindsay thought she was in with a chance, as I said she fought to the end, kept trying.

But what you were saying is that she was playing because she thought she was 'almost guaranteed' a win. Which is simply not true. She was fighting in there regardless until the last point. It didn't fade at all, the will to win was there until the last point!

TeamJustine - July 5, 2007 09:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Apr 17 2007, 05:25 AM)
It would nice to Justine and Serena to get a couple of Finals maybe and Venus and Justine also to play in another Final.

:)

Maybe. Just Maybe.

SerenaW19 - July 5, 2007 09:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TeamJustine @ Jul 5 2007, 09:27 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Apr 17 2007, 05:25 AM)
It would nice to Justine and Serena to get a couple of Finals maybe and Venus and Justine also to play in another Final.

:)

Maybe. Just Maybe.

Serena and Justine keep playing in the quarters though, and it's rubbish roflmao

We could be having a second Williams Henin final which would just be great :D

TeamJustine - July 5, 2007 09:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Jul 5 2007, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (TeamJustine @ Jul 5 2007, 09:27 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Apr 17 2007, 05:25 AM)
It would nice to Justine and Serena to get a couple of Finals maybe and Venus and Justine also to play in another Final.

:)

Maybe. Just Maybe.

Serena and Justine keep playing in the quarters though, and it's rubbish roflmao

We could be having a second Williams Henin final which would just be great :D

Im not gonna say anything... :wacko: :wacko:

I shall just let events unfold :pray:

Queen Justine - July 6, 2007 10:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TeamJustine @ Jul 5 2007, 09:40 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Jul 5 2007, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (TeamJustine @ Jul 5 2007, 09:27 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Apr 17 2007, 05:25 AM)
It would nice to Justine and Serena to get a couple of Finals maybe and Venus and Justine also to play in another Final.

:)

Maybe. Just Maybe.

Serena and Justine keep playing in the quarters though, and it's rubbish roflmao

We could be having a second Williams Henin final which would just be great :D

Im not gonna say anything... :wacko: :wacko:

I shall just let events unfold :pray:

Love your signature pic Team Justine.

Is that Justine waving :bye: to Serena at Heathrow Airport on Wednesday night? roflmao :bye:

SerenaW19 - July 6, 2007 10:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Queen Justine @ Jul 6 2007, 10:34 AM)
QUOTE (TeamJustine @ Jul 5 2007, 09:40 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Jul 5 2007, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (TeamJustine @ Jul 5 2007, 09:27 PM)
QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Apr 17 2007, 05:25 AM)
It would nice to Justine and Serena to get a couple of Finals maybe and Venus and Justine also to play in another Final.

:)

Maybe. Just Maybe.

Serena and Justine keep playing in the quarters though, and it's rubbish roflmao

We could be having a second Williams Henin final which would just be great :D

Im not gonna say anything... :wacko: :wacko:

I shall just let events unfold :pray:

Love your signature pic Team Justine.

Is that Justine waving :bye: to Serena at Heathrow Airport on Wednesday night? roflmao :bye:

No Serena's staying in London until Venus does, so she'll still be at the champions ball Im guessing roflmao




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