I have spent the morning looking at various H2H's on the WTA site.And needless to say its quite an INTERESTING thing especially if you bored.

Not only does it give a clear indication of match ups and mis matches its an essential guideline to matches that are about to happen.Not that we didnt know this already.

Some interesting H2H's like Serena Vs Capriati.Quite a close H2H with Serena edging Jenny 10-7.The funny thing about this is that Jenny has played Venus 4 times and is 4-0 down in that rivalry!Then almost a complete mismatch Lindsay is 9-3 up against Jenny.In a reversal of mismatching,Serena is 11-4 up on Lindsay but Lindsay is 14-13 up on Venus.The american women are quite competitve amongst each other with some really owning the other!

Sanchez-Vicario,deemed weaponless by some with only her speed as an asset is 7-5 up on Lindsay,1-0 up on Justine, 6-4 up on Jenny 6-3 down against Venus but is 4-3 up on Serena.Quite remakable!

These are but just a few,but its amazing how people dominate some but are dominated by others.And some truely are weird.

What do you guys think?Post some of your strange H2H's here and explain what you think maybe the reasons behind them!

Some are quite odd, I don't think the head to heads between say ASV and the Williams or even Lindsay are all that accurate though, as ASV was at the top of the tree when the Williams and Lindsay were teenagers trying to break into the pro tour.

It's a bit like Jo Durie's head to head with Steffi Graf, it's clouded by the fact that Durie got some early wins in when Steffi was new on tour.

Also, I know I said it on another thread. It really annoys me that the WTA now count walkovers in their head to heads. I think Im going to write in and complain!

However She had some late career wins against them in the early 2000's when they were seemingly on top as well as Lindsay(French Open 98)...So I would say that its quite accurate in reflecting stats.

However I do get what you are saying and agree...Can you post any other weird H2Hs...

I think Amelie's head to head with Venus is quite weird. It's 5-4 at the moment, although it should be 5-3 really (that stupid walkover). And Venus has never beaten Amelie easily and has blown leads to her. Considering how much Serena dominates her head to head with Amelie, I find it quite weird.

ASV was one of those players though - so consistent and able to run down so many balls - she was always bound to infuriate the Williams and draw them into errors if they weren't on top form.

Quite a few players have lopsided results against the sisters interestingly.

Henin is pretty good against Serena 6-3 but dreadful against Venus 7-1 (though it doesn't help her cause that of all the top players she didn't play either sister in their struggling periods 2004-2006)

Clijsters also has a decent record against Venus 4-6 I think but is 8-1 down against Serena.

Of course Capriati is the real odd one - how she can have played so much against Serena and given her so many problems but hardly ever against Venus!?

Funny roflmao but oh so true!

Im gonna be a bir graphic here so apologies.Serena,if she were a lesbian,whenever she plays Amelie I have always deemed it as Tennis Rape.Because Serena really finishes that girl,its so weird.Then we have that H2H against Venus.

Another quite weird H2H...BUT given Clijsters choke demons,especially against Serena,Im not surprised!

Also the anomoly I pointed out,but Capriati is also 4-0 against Novotna as she is with Venus!

Yes Capriati really is the odd one. I only realised a year ago that she had NEVER actually beaten Venus.

We know that on top form Serena can handle Capriati, but even if Serena's just a little bit off then, Capriati really seems to push Serena. I just think her scrapping, and getting every ball back with force tactics that she uses against Serena, makes her very difficult for Serena to put away if she's not playing her best tennis.

I suppose she never palyed Venus post 2002+, if Capriati played her in 2004 then she would more than likely have beaten her.

One of the ones that never made sense to me is Davenport vs Henin/Mauresmo.

She's 5-8 against Henin - winning the first 5, losing the next 8!

But she's 14-4 against Mauresmo and 3 of Amelie's wins came early on and then Lindsay absolutely dominated.

Ok Justine & Amelie's games aren't identical but they are broadly similar and yet Lindsay had no problems against one and all sorts of problems against the other. Plus Mauresmo started out well against Lindsay then started to regularly lose to her while with Justine it was the opposite.

Is one of Justine's wins against Lindsay a walkover?

It really is so annoying, I know all the head to heads of the the top girls off by heart but the walkovers really mess them up. :wacko:

What is odd is that at one point Lindsay's head to head with Justine was 5-0 then Justine wins their next 7 matches, both lopsided periods. I think Lindsay should've beaten Justine once in the 2003-2006 period. But equally it's amazing Justine had never beaten Lindsay pre 2003, when she perhaps should have, at least once

Another weird one is that Justine's only win against Venus is the first time the played, then Venus won the next 7. Also Kim's only win against Serena came in 2002, which is pretty odd.

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/playe...layer1ID=190008

I finally found someone that Sanchez utterly dominated.Its a ripper!

That is quite weird and I agree with GS2.Momo and Juju play very similar games.I think its Juju's will.Momo is a bigtime choker and had some tght 3 setters againt Lindsay I feel she should have won.Her best match against Davenport for me will have to be Aussie Open 99 semi final...what a win that was!

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/playe...Player1ID=40106

How weird is the above H2H..Though Lindsay and Kim are tied at 9 a piece.Look at the irregularities in who won where and the streaks.Purely a mental thing!

Yes, one is a walkover - Sydney 2004 I think.

Justine always gave Lindsay a real battle before her first win so perhaps some of it was mental and once she actually got that first win then she got through that barrier. She came very close to choking that first win away as it was.

Justine's first win against Venus was just incredible - what was it 6-2, 6-1 or something?

After that they had some really tough battles but again Justine in those days wasn't as mentally strong as she is now - Amelia Island 2002 in particular is one that Justine let slip away.

Kim's win in 2002 was while she was on her end of season streak of form having had injury problems & under performed for a lot of that year while Serena was at the end of a tiring year - also it was indoors where Kim has often played some of her best tennis.

Hers another one for size....Seles leads Justine 4-3 Seles wins the 1st 4 then Justine the next 3.This confirms GS2's quote about Justine being mentaly frale in the beginning!

Heres more American rivalry mismatched drama...quite interesting though...Lindsay owns Monica 10-3 she also owns Jenny at 9-3 but Monica edges Jenny 9-5...in a total reversal both Williams girls own Seles,Serena 4-1 and Venus 9-1...

Really though,Davenport came into her own after that Olympic Gold Medal.You can see the results clearly....

A lot of the head to heads are about mentality as well. If you look at Serena's with Venus,s he just couldn't beat her pre 2002,then she came out and dominated the head to head.

Also if you look at Williams sister head to heads with all the top players in 2004. They are absolutely appalling, really showing that their heads weren't in tennis that year. 2 of Lindsay's 4 wins against Serena came that year.

Too true and they clearly werent focused.Because if you look at how Serena owns Lindsay you would have to say that those 2 wins in that year were definetly attributed to their lack of desire!

I think they like a challenge hence the slump.They like to prove people wrong!

Heres another anomly if you can call it that,,,Chanda Rubin has only played Serena twice and they are tied 1-1 however she has played Venus 11 times and its 9-2 in the favour of Venus...

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/playe...D=70044&x=4&y=6

Graf V Tauziat is one of the most hilarious head to heads of all time. Tauziat lost all 42 sets she played against Graf and wasn't even able to force a single tie-break roflmao

Mary has played Serena 6 times, and Venus 9, and only one match out of those 15 went to 3 sets (Mary beating Venus in Moscow) Mary has played Justine 5 times, all going in straight sets (JH leading 4-1) Mary has played Steffi 6 times, all going in straight sets (Steffi leads 4-2) Mary has played Clijsters 4 times, only one going to 3 sets (Mary winning at YEC) Mary has played Sharapova 4 times, only one going to 3 sets (Mary winning in San Diego). So out of those top players, Mary seems either to get blown away, or she wins easily. Interestingly, Mary has won EVERY 3 set match she has played against these players, suggesting she is mentally stronger than them all :yikes: roflmao

Henin's flatter forehand and extra power is the difference IMO, with Mauresmo, Lindsay could really dominate with that forehand of Amelie's that sat up so much, in one of the few matches Amelie did beat Lindsay, the AO 99 semi, she hit the ball very flat, quite differently the way she plays now, hence all that business about her being like a man :unsure:

Anyway, the one Lindsay H2H that I hate is against Serena, 4-10 :wacko: And she lost so many three-setters, but then there is the 6-1 6-3 LA win that I'll always cherish :D

Lindsay was 5-0 versus the sisters in '04 :D

Venus was 0-3 down to lIndsay in 04 :angry: :angry: roflmao

Damn her summer run! roflmao

Cant believe how much Serena owns Lindsay :o Always been tough matches though, eg the US Open quarter in 2001 :bow:

Also Lindsay demolished Serena 6-4 6-2 in 2000 at the open :D

Hingis is 11-10 against venus, and 6-7 against serena, those stats show she can take on the big hitters, but she can't beat the negativity in her own head-that's why she can't win a slam now.

I must say that this is quite the anomoly....These are stats and weird H2H's I was hoping would come out...Mary is quite good at the distance...

Baring in mindthat she beat Venus last year in Rome after getting bagelled in the first set...Look at some of her results against Lindsay as well...She could handle the big hitters and BT is quite right she cant now handle the biggets hitter of all....HER MIND!

That is truely bizarre,not once did she ever win a set!And the closest she came to a fight was that 4 and 4 loss.However,if you look at her indoor results,she did push Graf quite a bit.Nathalie really was great indoors!

I have to disagree with this,because as new as Steffi was,barring the 1st and the last meeting,they had quite the battles.It was apparent that Steffi was gonna be big!

Durie leads 4-3.....

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/playe...Player1ID=80301

That is a H2H to somewhat rival Steffis against Tauziat...Hingis has played Sandrine Testud 16 times and has won 16 times!

Try this threesome on for size....Pierce,Sanchez-Vicario and Conchita Martinez.
Pierce Vs Martinez 12-6 Pierce
Sanchez Vs Martinez 14-4 Sanchez
Pierce Vs Sanchez 5-5

What that tells me is the true top players are literally separated by very little.Its surprising in the fact that Martinez was as high as number 2 in the world,Mary as high as number 3 yet Mary has had the more successful Grand Slam Success.But having said that,I think overall Conchita is far more consistent.Having won Wimbledon,finalist at the Australian Open and French Open.Also interesting in these three is that Conchita has a Wimbledon title over Sanchez who has a French Open over Conchita but Mary has an Australian Open over Sanchez who holds a US Open over her....Quite unique!

How is this for Bizarre..Anna "titleless" Kournikova has a 3-1 winning H2H against Jenny "From The Block' Capriati...and mind you those wins came in the early 2000's

Yes the fact that a 15 or 16 year old Steffi was able to give Durie such problems when she was in the top ten does show how big Steffi was going to be. However if Steffi had played Durie when she was a bit older then she probably would've beaten Durie in straight sets instead of losing in three, a la her 1988 61 61 Miami thrashing.

Another 1 sided affair Anna "Titleless" Kournikova has never beaten Venus Williams in 8 meetings also the she has never beaten Serena either but they only met twice!