I know we've had a discussion on smoking, but I thought it would be a good idea to hash it back up with drinking.

Who here smokes and/or drinks? Teenagers today seem to all do it.

Also, what do you think of parents that drink and smoke? I think they all the money and health they waste on alcohol and cigarettes, they could give their children a better upbringing. And what about mothers who drink and smoke when pregnant?!

22 year old male, non-smoker, drink very occasionally if I'm at home. Don't drink when I'm out as I'm usually driving.

Drinking other than to excess is great, but I think smoking is potty in this day and age.

I will certainly encourage our son to learn to enjoy wine like we do and to understand the dangers of excessive drinking as well as smoking. As far as I am concerned that is part of a good upbringing.

The risk with turning either into the great satan is that you may make a child more curious and, once they try either and find that it does not kill them but is actually rather nice, you have not equipped them with any understanding of how to handle either smoking or drinking in moderation.

senses overkill :rolleyes:

attention seeking? no possibly not roflmao

Is SF in fact a crazed, mentally depressed Wallaby who has confused herself for a Koala so therefore only eats eucalyptus leaves, explaining the vegan thing? roflmao

Bet SF stinks if that true (Those of you who have ever used Deep heat will know what I mean ;))

OMG not this again! :rolleyes: roflmao

I drink, I smoke, I'm a sinner! Never mind! It's all the devil's fault, him and his evil tobacco that somehow escaped God's remit of creation roflmao

for pitys sake, do it all!

get as many vices as you can I say :)

We haven't really discussed drinking before.

I just can't understand why people drink and/or smoke. My own husband is a chain-smoker, and drinks quite heavily too.

Tell you what, what drugs do you reckon SF is on roflmao

I rekon she's got a few cannabis trees in her back garden, she probably goes to everybody "relax, relax, there's no worries, a nice day to you too " etc... roflmao

I bet he does living with you roflmao

not interested in this becoming a personal argument between certain factions.

for now I have left both posting and this topic open.

if it gets out of hand, posting will be moderated and the topics closed.

you've been warned!

hey pebs, chill out woman! :D

I would rather die than smoke marijuana.

1. What are you implying?
2. Laughing at your own jokes?

well you're either a druggie or a psycho Wallaby, i've decided roflmao

take my advice and I will hun ;)

Is SMM - the Duke 69 Mr. Selesfan?

I think we should be told.

roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao

SMM - the duke 69 is Poscars host aka Sir Matchstickmen aka Sam ;)

My current nickname is the duke, at Xmas one of my friends actually bought me a really funny shirt with the number 69 on the back and "the duke" inscribed along the top! :D

Can we just get back to the original point of this thread?

I personally have never smoked (I have asthma, and it would be quite detrimental to my health; even more so than for other people I mean); I certainly like to drink a glass of beer or wine now and again.

In my opinion, it's up to everyone to decide for themselves whether they want to endanger their own health by smoking, or by drinking to excess (or in any other way); that is, as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's comfort or well-being.

So I have no understanding for people who smoke in the company of non-smokers, or those who get extremely drunk and then bother others in this drunken state. In particular, I think there should be a complete ban on smoking in public places; certainly no employees of a bar or restaurant should have to endure the second-hand smoke of customers.

On the other hand, I certainly do not believe that smoking and drinking should be banned, quite apart from the fact that this wouldn't accomplish anything.

It is society's responsibility to educate citizens about the dangers of smoking and alcohol abuse, and to protect those who do not want to be subjected to second-hand smoke etc. However, it is not society's responsibility to make a decision for its citizens.

The same goes for parents --- it is their responsibility to educate their children with respect to the dangers, and I have no understanding for parents who e.g. subject their children to second-hand smoke in their homes. In the end, with respect to any issue, parents need to bring up their children so that they can eventually make their own informed decision --- I also have no understanding for parents who want to force their own views and opinions onto their children.

you'll be lucky, you created it m'doc! roflmao

Well - it's not much of a discussion when you have told us that you don't understand why people smoke and drink.

Nobody has the time to try and persuade you that either is a good idea, and they no doubt know the reasons why you think they aren't.

Where is all this going?

What I reaaly want to know SMM, is why you can be so hypocritical in having a go at me for saying I'm leaving so many times, and not doing so, and then doing the exact same thing yourself?

Don't have much issue with most of that - although I'm not sure it's society's job to educate people about smoking and drinking, rather than to make sure that regulation of those activities ensures that the information is out there.

Unless the originator of the post is prepared to set out their views this "discussion" is headed nowhere

tell me about it mate :rolleyes:

Yeah, and you've never spammed have you? You've never made a stupid thread?!

You're a hypocrite in alls enses of the word.

What's that got to do with the title to this thread?

thats enough SF. I asked you both a few posts back to keep it to the subject in hand, Sam has started to comply with this and I would appreciate it if you did too.

nothing, so this bit is to be dropped.

feel free to ask about the dangers of smoking and drinking though :)

*blows kiss*

*thinks again*

Well I think some people might nearly be smoking through the ears roflmao

No he hasn't. He's still knocking me. I didn't compose this thread to have an argument with him.

Well get onto the subject then - two of us have put some ideas down and you have preferred to go for Sam's throat than run with your own thread.

C'mon

Good post.

I agree, acceopt I think a ban of smoking and alcohol would be great, and would accomplish things like teenagers thinking it's cool to do these two things.

So you are against a smoking ban? :unsure:

My views are that drinking and smoking cause no good whatsoever, only health deterioration, waste of money etc...

Net result of discussion - agreement on smoking, agreement to disagree on drinking.... :cheers:

I say we all get p***ed to celebrate :D

Well this seems like a productive thread. :D

The same can be said about many things ... fast cars, playing tennis, ...

As with any such activity, it must be up to everyone to decide whether the pleasure something will give you is worth its cost. As long as it's not at the expense of other people, you need to make sure that you do some things that give you pleasure in this life.

The danger with smoking is, of course, that people tend to end up not doing it because of the pleasure, but rather because of addiction.

I will add that, as far as I know, there is no scientific evidence to suggest that occasionally and moderately consuming alcohol is bad for your health (even during pregnancy; again, as far as I know). It's a lot safer e.g. than driving a car, I imagine.

If you don't enjoy a glass of wine or beer, don't drink it! I know plenty of people (including my father) who never drink a drop of alcohol, and are quite happy about it. I myself wouldn't like to give up the occasional glass of wine with dinner, or a pint or two of beer in friendly company.

I'm with you on that, jedi. I think we actually have discussed this before, but alcohol in moderation has been shown to have health benefits in a number of different studies. Much more than a drink or two a day, and the risks start to outweigh the benefits, though.

I enjoy wine, though, and I rarely have more than two glasses at a time, and that generally only if it's over a leisurely dinner. So I don't think I'm harming myself with that, and even if I am driving, two glasses of wine over a two-hour dinner is not like to impair me. (But I actually usually limit myself to one glass, if I know I'm driving.)

I don't think it should be banned, but we need to have lower tolerance for those who abuse it. Maybe they need treatment more than punishment, but I get tired of seeing blurbs in the paper here about people being ticketed for their 5th / 6th (and sometime even higher) offence of driving under the influence . . .

I'm going to San Francisco in the spring, though, and much looking forward to a day or two touring and sampling in the California wine country. :ok: