I don't get it :shrug:

For example Flavia Penetta leads Serena 1-0 even though they've never played, due to a walkover. Seems a bit silly to me.

well a walkover counts as a win, so I guess they have to include every meeting the players are scheduled to play

Yes but until recently a walkover didn't count as a win....it was well a walkover, at least far as head to heads were concerned :shrug:

i think they've always counted a walkover in H2Hs...i think :shrug:

Nope it's a relatively recent change in the stats on the website...

Yeah they never used to count them - that is very strange why they've changed that?

Retirements always used to count and fair enough the match happened but counting walk overs is a bit silly.

So does that mean they're going to revise Sharapova having the longest win streak last year since that included when she gave Chakvetadze a walkover in Moscow!

Exactly that's a perfect example of it, it would be unfair to use a walkover to break a winning streak, as the player hasn't lost!

Which is why I think it's unfair to include walkovers in head to heads as they're not losses, how can you lose a match you've never played :shrug:

Its a good thing really, H2Hs rarely prove anything anyway and this just makes it easier to ignore them

Well they do prove some things Liam like who has won more often when two players have played. And the walkovers are actually distorting this fact.

For example take Venus and Serena, they have played 14 times and won seven each. It seems fair that their head to head would be split at 7-7. But nooo clever WTA include the walkover Venus game to Serena at Indian Wells, so Serena leads 8-7. It's just silly is all Im saying :wacko

but according to h2hs alone, Durie leads Steffi, Sharapova has 4-1 over Dav, and i just think those stats are pretty pointless. Of course, if you have details of the matches at hand, then they are worth looking at, but if you do have those details, then you will be able to see any walkovers anyway, so it makes no odds to me :lol:

Well that's a fair point about being able to see them anyway, so it not really mattering.

But by and large most head to heads are fairly accurate and I like to look at them, and find them fairly interesting. I mean the odd head to heads like Steffi and Durie are obviously the exception rather than the norm. Plus Jo only leads 4-3. Imagine if Steffi had given her a walkover, then she would lead by 5-3 making it even more pointless :P

Lindday got an advantage over Venus in the h2h's with a retirement :angry: roflmao

this is exactly the kind of evilness Im talking about roflmao

Retirements have always counted in the H2H ;)

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wish it didnt roflmao

Walkovers are a new addition, retirements not ;)

I'm sort of glad because it means the Lindsay-Kim H2H is officially tied roflmao

Oh sorry I misread and thought you and dl both typed walkover...how I misread both words i don't know :wacko:

I agree that retirements are fair as even if you retired when you were winning you still weren't able to finish the match, and obviously a big part of winning the match is finishing it :lol:

But I don't agree with walkovers though, hence my ranting and creation of this thread :lol:

Thank the WTA for small mercies roflmao

H2H counts can be misleading when they are low or only established between players of different eras, but between competitors who meet often I think they are a reliable indicator of how one player has fared against another.

14-1 Henin v Kuznetsova tells a story. So does 14-4 Davenport v Mauresmo, one of those wins even when Davenport was newly returned from a long injury layoff and Mauresmo had recently picked up her Wimbledon title. Sometimes one player's game just matches up well against another's. They are also good for finding patterns of dominance; Henin edges Clijsters in their H2H 12-10, but the vast majority of Clijsters's wins came in their first dozen meetings, with Henin having the upper hand since then.

Oh, and I agree the walkover business is a bit daft, although perhaps it's not an across-the-board change and only reflected in a few H2H records. That's what I hope, anyhow, although consistency is of course desirable.

Woo! The WTA are no longer couting walk overs in head to heads :D

They obviously got my email :devil: