Title: Career Slams
liam_valid - March 8, 2007 03:00 PM (GMT)
I actually believe Sharapova will win the AO within the next couple of years, so it will come down whether she is more likely to win the FO, Hingis win the FO, or Henin to win SW19. I am picking Sharapova purely because she has the age advantage over Henin, and i believe if Henin was going to win Wimbledon, last year was her best shot. As much as i would like her to, i doubt Hingis has another slam win in her
chairman - March 8, 2007 03:02 PM (GMT)
Definately henin, Venus is getting old now and hingis is just washed out.
Dark_Necrofear - March 8, 2007 03:02 PM (GMT)
I voted Hingis since she excells on clay.Theres no way Masha will win the French!
SerenaW19 - March 8, 2007 03:06 PM (GMT)
I really can't see Masha doing it, she does have age on her side but thats about it. I mean Lindsay only needed to win the FO to complete her career slam after AO 2000, was never going to happen was it? roflmao
I've voted for Venus simply because I knew no-one else would vote for her :( I don't actually think she'll do it sadly* :cry: But I do think she will manage to win the AO or FO possibly once; she still has a good few seaons in her yet....
EDIT: *She might but there's not exactly good odds on it happening at the moment
liam_valid - March 8, 2007 03:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Mar 8 2007, 03:06 PM) |
I really can't see Masha doing it, she does have age on her side but thats about it. I mean Lindsay only needed to win the FO to complete her career slam after AO 2000, was never going to happen was it? roflmao
I've voted for Venus simply because I knew no-one else would vote for her :( I don't actually think she'll do it sadly* :cry: But I do think she will manage to win the AO or FO possibly once; she still has a good few seaons in her yet....
EDIT: *She might but there's not exactly good odds on it happening at the moment |
Im not so sure, the difference between Sharapova and Davenport is that Dav (as much as i love her) always seemed so negative at RG, especially earlier on in her career, whereas Masha will have more of a will to win it, especially if she wins AO. All she needs is a lucky draw in the next 5 or 6 years and i think she will do it
Gav - March 8, 2007 03:37 PM (GMT)
Henin has the most determination to win out of that lot I reckon. Shazza as a very outside bet as she has age on her side I guess, but can't see her conquering clay ever... maybe with a weak field?
EDIT:- Venus has the ability, but I doubt her determination and her current wrist injury is still worrying.
GS2 - March 8, 2007 03:41 PM (GMT)
Can't see Maria ever winning the French though I agree that she will probably come closer than Davenport & that she does seem more determined.
I went for Henin as she only has to get one more to complete the set and she can certainly win Wimbledon especially now that she seems to have moved to an even more aggressive attacking game than ever before.
Obviously Hingis only needs the French but I can't see her managing another slam win at the moment (see how things are in a year or so)
Venus I can see winning more Wimbledons and/or US Opens but not sure about the AO or French which were always her weaker slams even when she was the best player in the world.
SerenaW19 - March 8, 2007 03:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (liam_valid @ Mar 8 2007, 03:33 PM) |
| QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Mar 8 2007, 03:06 PM) | I really can't see Masha doing it, she does have age on her side but thats about it. I mean Lindsay only needed to win the FO to complete her career slam after AO 2000, was never going to happen was it? roflmao
I've voted for Venus simply because I knew no-one else would vote for her :( I don't actually think she'll do it sadly* :cry: But I do think she will manage to win the AO or FO possibly once; she still has a good few seaons in her yet....
EDIT: *She might but there's not exactly good odds on it happening at the moment |
Im not so sure, the difference between Sharapova and Davenport is that Dav (as much as i love her) always seemed so negative at RG, especially earlier on in her career, whereas Masha will have more of a will to win it, especially if she wins AO. All she needs is a lucky draw in the next 5 or 6 years and i think she will do it
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True :)
SerenaW19 - March 8, 2007 03:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (GS2 @ Mar 8 2007, 03:41 PM) |
| Venus I can see winning more Wimbledons and/or US Opens but not sure about the AO or French which were always her weaker slams even when she was the best player in the world. |
It's not the surface is it so much as the Slam? She just seems to mentally fall apart at those slams, I mean look at her horror show against Hingis in 2001. :wacko: Too many to mention at the French.
Still you never know when someone might turn things around ;)
I am the eternal optimist as a Williams fan :lol:
T01 - March 8, 2007 03:48 PM (GMT)
I am sure it is easy for everyone to see Justine has the most chance of all to complete the set!
liam_valid - March 8, 2007 03:50 PM (GMT)
BTW, have i missed anyone out? I left off Dav, Pierce, Seles and Capriati for obvious reasons, but there are no more active slam holders on the tour are there? (excpet Serena who already has the career slam)(oh and Kim, who cant possibly do it anyway)
barrystar - March 8, 2007 04:47 PM (GMT)
Henin for me - she has made the final twice at very different times in her career and clearly wants it. I think her game is good enough to win Wimbledon - it has always had variety and has become more attacking - she was brilliant at Eastbourne last year. I don't think you can count on the Williams sisters covering every Wimbledon for the next 5 years.
Sharapova's RG performances have been conspicuously worse than her performances on the harder surfaces and she has yet to win any tournament on clay where Vaidisova and Kuznetzova are likely to be threats for a long time, let alone Henin and anyone else who may come along.
liam_valid - March 8, 2007 05:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (barrystar @ Mar 8 2007, 04:47 PM) |
Henin for me - she has made the final twice at very different times in her career and clearly wants it. I think her game is good enough to win Wimbledon - it has always had variety and has become more attacking - she was brilliant at Eastbourne last year. I don't think you can count on the Williams sisters covering every Wimbledon for the next 5 years.
Sharapova's RG performances have been conspicuously worse than her performances on the harder surfaces and she has yet to win any tournament on clay where Vaidisova and Kuznetzova are likely to be threats for a long time, let alone Henin and anyone else who may come along. |
I see it that Henin has Sharapova Momo and the Williams to overcome at wimbledon, but when she retires, Masha will still be a world class player and i can really see her doing it (im not a Masha fan btw :lol:)
RT. - March 8, 2007 05:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (liam_valid @ Mar 8 2007, 03:50 PM) |
| BTW, have i missed anyone out? I left off Dav, Pierce, Seles and Capriati for obvious reasons, but there are no more active slam holders on the tour are there? (excpet Serena who already has the career slam)(oh and Kim, who cant possibly do it anyway) |
Well, Myskina's still active on the tour but I don't think anybody would vote for her.
As for Kim, if she were to win the next 3 slams, maybe she'd be persuaded to play at the AO and try to get the NCYGS ?? :)
RT. - March 8, 2007 05:23 PM (GMT)
Aah .. sorry, didn't notice that Myskina was already on the list :(
liam_valid - March 8, 2007 05:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (RT. @ Mar 8 2007, 05:23 PM) |
| Aah .. sorry, didn't notice that Myskina was already on the list :( |
lol i think the question there is whether she win ever win ANOTHER slam rather than a CAREER slam
petalp - March 8, 2007 06:13 PM (GMT)
I have this feeling that Justine's time will come at Wimbledon either this year or next year. :)
Wouldn't it be nice though if Martina would RG, Justine won SW19 and they both achieved it this year?
Wishful thinking, I know, but still, the AO was a little bit of a fairytale (well, only a bit ;) ) so why not a few more..? :shrug:
In terms of this hastily-concocted fairytale winners thing, who would be a fairytale winner of the USO? Kim in her last slam? Mauresmo (and then win RG for the career slam and national adulation in 2008?)
Ah well.. worth a thought anyway :D
liam_valid - March 8, 2007 06:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (petalp @ Mar 8 2007, 06:13 PM) |
I have this feeling that Justine's time will come at Wimbledon either this year or next year. :)
Wouldn't it be nice though if Martina would RG, Justine won SW19 and they both achieved it this year?
Wishful thinking, I know, but still, the AO was a little bit of a fairytale (well, only a bit ;) ) so why not a few more..? :shrug:
In terms of this hastily-concocted fairytale winners thing, who would be a fairytale winner of the USO? Kim in her last slam? Mauresmo (and then win RG for the career slam and national adulation in 2008?)
Ah well.. worth a thought anyway :D |
Pierce to come back strong from her injury would be my ideal USO fairytale
petalp - March 8, 2007 06:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (liam_valid @ Mar 8 2007, 06:23 PM) |
| QUOTE (petalp @ Mar 8 2007, 06:13 PM) | I have this feeling that Justine's time will come at Wimbledon either this year or next year. :)
Wouldn't it be nice though if Martina would RG, Justine won SW19 and they both achieved it this year?
Wishful thinking, I know, but still, the AO was a little bit of a fairytale (well, only a bit ;) ) so why not a few more..? :shrug:
In terms of this hastily-concocted fairytale winners thing, who would be a fairytale winner of the USO? Kim in her last slam? Mauresmo (and then win RG for the career slam and national adulation in 2008?)
Ah well.. worth a thought anyway :D |
Pierce to come back strong from her injury would be my ideal USO fairytale
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Well, there we have it:
Martina for RG
Justine for SW19
Mary for USO
:ok:
SerenaW19 - March 8, 2007 06:35 PM (GMT)
What are you all talking about? :doh: We all know the only fairytale thats going to happen this year is Serena doing the calendar slam or maybe Venus getting a couple of slams and the sister slam #2 :D
petalp - March 8, 2007 06:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Mar 8 2007, 06:35 PM) |
| What are you all talking about? :doh: We all know the only fairytale thats going to happen this year is Serena doing the calendar slam or maybe Venus getting a couple of slams and the sister slam #2 :D |
Is that not a little too couched in the real world to be a fairy tale?? :P
Mind you, depends on them being fit, healthy and motivated, of course.. and a decent set of variables for S and V to contend with ;)
SerenaW19 - March 8, 2007 06:49 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (petalp @ Mar 8 2007, 06:46 PM) |
| Mind you, depends on them being fit, healthy and motivated, of course.. and a decent set of variables for S and V to contend with ;) |
Tell me about it :rolleyes: They live far too unpredictably for my tastes :yikes:
Manzikert - March 8, 2007 07:09 PM (GMT)
I went with Henin, but I can see Hingis and Sharapova also accomplishing it.
If Hingis is in-form, the main question this year will be whether she can take down Henin on clay. The baseline bashers who give her a hard time are neutralised somewhat on clay, and she clearly has the game to succeed at RG: since coming up short against Majoli, she's had SF, F, SF, SF and QF finishes there. She probably would have reached the SF last year as well if she hadn't come up against her new nemesis Clijsters (who's beaten her in three Slam quarters since her return), although apparently she had some illness issues as well.
Similarly, I think Sharapova will win the AO, sooner rather than later. She came very close this year until a ruthless, rejuvenated Serena put paid to that plan. But with that finalist finish and two semis, and her obvious strength on hard courts, that should be the easy one to notch. We haven't really seen enough of her on clay (she skipped nearly the entire season last year), but she's already got a SF in Rome and a QF at RG to her credit. She's young, as others have noted, and unlike some American players, she refuses to concede that she simply can't succeed on clay. With the players who used to reliably end her Slams either less able to do so anymore (Henin and Mauresmo), leaving the picture entirely (Clijsters), or only showing up half the time (the Williams sisters) I can see her sneaking away an RG title. Or, like Davenport, she may simply never manage the feat despite owning three of the four titles for years.
dl04 - March 8, 2007 07:15 PM (GMT)
I see Venus winning RG, i really do :lol: Times last year on the surface, she was moving better than ever on the clay. The wheels are in motion for Venus to have a great RG ;)
Hingis, still no proof for me that she can win a Slam yet. Mental stamina is an issue for me as Hingis gets deep in Slams nowadays. Still if the draw is greatly diminshed at RG, then she has a chance.
ObL!v!0N - March 8, 2007 08:28 PM (GMT)
tbh, I don't see any of them doing the career slam. I don't think Henin will ever win Wimbledon. I think her best chance was last year, and she blew it. Same with Hingis, her best chance was 99, and probably never get a better chnace to win it again unfortunately. Venus, I don't think will win another slam again, if she does it will most likely be the US Open. Sharapova won't won the AO or the FO, because she is too one-dimensional, so therefore her game only really works on the fast surfaces.
but I went for Hingis coz she deserves more than one vote B)
SerenaW19 - March 8, 2007 10:31 PM (GMT)
So who is winning slams from now on then? roflmao
Russiafan - March 8, 2007 11:23 PM (GMT)
My fairytale slam result would be Elena winning in New York - serving more aces than double faults in the final :pray: :D
Well I can alway dream can't I? ;)
SerenaW19 - March 8, 2007 11:25 PM (GMT)
I love how Venus has more votes than Hingis or Sharapova :D
What a legend she is :bow:
vivahate - March 8, 2007 11:44 PM (GMT)
hingis/venus are now 3 all... :D :D :D
realistically, it'll be henin that grabs the career slam from that list.
SerenaW19 - March 9, 2007 12:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (dl04 @ Mar 8 2007, 07:15 PM) |
I see Venus winning RG, i really do :lol: Times last year on the surface, she was moving better than ever on the clay. The wheels are in motion for Venus to have a great RG ;)
Hingis, still no proof for me that she can win a Slam yet. Mental stamina is an issue for me as Hingis gets deep in Slams nowadays. Still if the draw is greatly diminshed at RG, then she has a chance. |
Fo for Venus, Wimbledon for Serena, USO for Kim? :hide:
Gav - March 9, 2007 07:30 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Mar 8 2007, 11:25 PM) |
I love how Venus has more votes than Hingis or Sharapova :D
What a legend she is :bow: |
Even though you admitted to voting for Venus because you thought no-one else would rather than because you thought she would do the slam? :P
Heheheheh.....that's terrible! I call the mods to declare this a hung vote! This is worse than the cash for honours debacle! Fix Fix!! :yikes: :yikes:
The thing is had Venus showed a little more motivation and a little more dedication over the last year, and had less injuries too, I have no doubt she would have have been up there with Justine in this poll.
Dark_Necrofear - March 9, 2007 08:12 AM (GMT)
Kim is a bit of an idiot...She isnt playing any clay events.Clay is her least favourite surface but what,she makes 2 finals there at Roland Garros.She will never win Wimbledon,because there are too many contenders and if the Williams girls are there on song,its game set and match!
She also isnt even a contender for the US Open.Im just so furious with this girl for retiring!
SerenaW19 - March 9, 2007 12:36 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Gav @ Mar 9 2007, 07:30 AM) |
| QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Mar 8 2007, 11:25 PM) | I love how Venus has more votes than Hingis or Sharapova :D
What a legend she is :bow: |
Even though you admitted to voting for Venus because you thought no-one else would rather than because you thought she would do the slam? :P
Heheheheh.....that's terrible! I call the mods to declare this a hung vote! This is worse than the cash for honours debacle! Fix Fix!! :yikes: :yikes:
The thing is had Venus showed a little more motivation and a little more dedication over the last year, and had less injuries too, I have no doubt she would have have been up there with Justine in this poll.
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Uh-oh Gav is on my case :whistle: :halo:
One thing though Gav, I can take people saying Serena is lazy and has showed a lack of dedication, I say it myself often enough. But I think you're being a little harsh saying Venus hasn't showed dedication, she has really tried :( She was finally recovering from her injury which she had carried since the 2005 USO when she picked up that wrist injury at Wimbledon last year, then she tried to come back in Luxembourg, but was still too injured and finished her match against Radwanska even though she was basically playing with one arm and couldn't even hit her backhand, most players would've retired rather than finish it...she lost 6-0 in the final set btw. Then she comes back now and wins a title...finally :bow: I would say she has shown extreeme motivation and dedication, she really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone; she could've left tennis long ago if she didn't have the motivation.
You're general point is fair enough though; after all Venus has hardly played the past year plus the last time she reached the finals of the AO and FO were 2003 and 2002 respectively and Justine reached the finals of Wimbledon only last year so it's right she leads this poll by a long way and that Venus et al. are lagging behind. That's just the way I like it though, Serena and Venus love a drama and springing a surprise on everyone :D
Gav - March 9, 2007 01:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SerenaW19 @ Mar 9 2007, 12:36 PM) |
| One thing though Gav, I can take people saying Serena is lazy and has showed a lack of dedication, I say it myself often enough. But I think you're being a little harsh saying Venus hasn't showed dedication, she has really tried :( She was finally recovering from her injury which she had carried since the 2005 USO when she picked up that wrist injury at Wimbledon last year, then she tried to come back in Luxembourg, but was still too injured and finished her match against Radwanska even though she was basically playing with one arm and couldn't even hit her backhand, most players would've retired rather than finish it...she lost 6-0 in the final set btw. Then she comes back now and wins a title...finally :bow: I would say she has shown extreeme motivation and dedication, she really doesn't have anything to prove to anyone; she could've left tennis long ago if she didn't have the motivation. |
Fair enough. You follow the WTA to a greater level than me. I thought Venus's absence was through a combination of injuries and just not wanting to play as much. I stand corrected in this case. That's cool B)
Dark_Necrofear - March 9, 2007 01:29 PM (GMT)
I think if we say taht she does not want to play it would boil down to the frustration of injuries.A prime example is Kim Clijsters!She is nonetheless an idiot though for giving up ,but she is a good example!
Awesome_Agassi - March 9, 2007 02:50 PM (GMT)
Sharapova has no chance of winning the French Open. You have to be very mobile around the court and agile, and she simply isn't. In the past people have said that Serena has won the French Open, so Maria definately has a chance. That is wrong however, as Serena's athleticism is much, much better than Maria's.
liam_valid - March 9, 2007 03:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Awesome_Agassi @ Mar 9 2007, 02:50 PM) |
| Sharapova has no chance of winning the French Open. You have to be very mobile around the court and agile, and she simply isn't. In the past people have said that Serena has won the French Open, so Maria definately has a chance. That is wrong however, as Serena's athleticism is much, much better than Maria's. |
Well my Mary won it AND got to a final. Of course she is better than Sharapova in every way, but a hot streak and a lucky draw is all it takes, and because Sharapova still has plenty of RGs to play before she retires, i believe it will happen eventually :)
Roysie - March 10, 2007 01:21 AM (GMT)
Hingis, Sharapova & Henin could all feasibly do it. I'd gamble on Hingis to get FO before Henin got SW19 but she has to do it this year. Sharapova could do it twice though.