So now its not only the fans that are complaining, Tommy Haas has decided to say that women don't deserve it either!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/6388351.stm

I really am shocked, doesn't he realise that women put in the same effort and quite a few times, the same amount of court time as some of the mens matches... equal pay is highly deserved and people who critise it really need to come up with better excuses than "mens tennis has more depth" as womens tennis can have just as much depth if no more at times.

Yeah, "greater depth" is a poor argument.

We have a thread here:-

http://z3.invisionfree.com/Centre_Court/in...?showtopic=2552

.....where there are better arguments both ways.

I don't think it is as cut and dry as it seems, and people are allowed there different opinions on whether this is right or wrong.

I agree. Haas is entitled to his opinion but was rather stupid to say that in this day and age. :doh: his depth argument is not very good anyway. Just because there is alledgedly more depth in the men's game doesnt; mean they always work harder. There are still plenty of straight sets whitewashes to be had.

whatever i may think of the pay row, i don't think Haas is exactly an equal opportunities man - what was his quote at the US Open

"I'm just wasting time, like you do with your woman" :blink:

I've gone off him now. What a pr*ck! :doh:

I've not liked Haas since that comment either.......esp when he was taking an injury time out when he said it :doh:

If he has said that then he is stupid to comment on the equal pay situation. Who will bother taking into account what he says when he doesn't seem to grasp basic facts about modern society.

roflmao What a fool!

Gav is right, he ha shardly expressed his opinion well. If he wants to back it up with reasoned argument then i will respect it but acting like a sexist pig and doing it is not helping.

Us Open Quotes

At the top of the page.......

Well what a t*sser! He seems to be admitting to gamesmanship as well! :doh: roflmao

That's him off my Xmas card list! ;)

Indeed - therefore, let's not pay any attention to what Haas says....he is obviously slightly short on brain cells....... :blink:

'depth' :rolleyes: :doh:

Who's been winning all the slams on the ATP for the last 4 years :doh:

Let us see if Haas can ever reach a final of GS! pratt..

For the 5 set argument: If Federer wins the tournament withouht dropping a set and say Amelie wins with 3 set matches all the way, then what will these people say?

Talig about depth? Well, sometime WTA has it too. Sharapova nearly went out in 1R at AusOpen this year, and JHH went out in 1R in 2005 Wimbledon. Capriati lost in the 1R of AusOpen in 2003.. We don't see top men lose out like this.

Depends on whether you think they should be paid for winning or losing sets. If you only get paid for winning, then Fed would have won 21 sets to Amelie's 14. :P

No, if Fed wins all his in straights, and Amelie is taken to 3 in every round, they will both have played 21 sets. I commented yesterday if number of sets comes into effect, then should Fed have been given a bonus prize at AO for not dropping one? Or should they have reduced his prize money because he didnt play enough? This whole issue seems to be matter of opinion, i dont think any facts will ever resolve it :)

Why don't they at the end of Wimbledon work out how many hours they spent on court and award the money based on that :D

It is about playing the number of sets!

I know. I was just taking a swipe at the concept that women could play just as many sets at a slam as men. True, but only by losing a third of them. It's the sets you win that really count.

(BTW, for the record, I'm not really against the move for equal pay. I just like to push people into making better arguments.)

Thats a great idea :D

well, will this include rain delays?? well, Tim Henman, Lindsay Davenport and the likes should be richer that they are now!! haha..

All this speculating about how many sets people may have to play is ultimately pointless for one very good reason.

Wimbledon has never wanted the women to play 5 sets - their scheduling problems are bad enough as it is!

The offer has been made by the WTA and it was turned down.

If Wimbledon had said to the women play 5 sets and we'll give you equal money then those that keep banging on about the 3/5 sets might have a point but Wimbledon have never said it so for them to use it as an argument for not paying the women equal money was always hypocritical.

Errr.....and penalise someone for winning in straight sets?

Can just see Federer dropping two sets midway through a match to take it to five so he gets more cash..... Can't really see that one working!!! :P2

I'm not sure about the pay by how long you stay on court... that would mean that top players would just let it go to a three setter or five depending on what sex it was. Wimbledon would be bankrupt with Roger Federer making sure that it lasted 6-7 7-6 6-7 7-6 20-18 in the 1st Round!!! :lol:

I dont think that was serious comment by yorkie btw, which is why i said it was a great idea :unsure: My view is, now it is equal, they can all get over it and concentrate on their games :)

How about the fewer games the champion drops during the tournament the more money they get? :P

Apart from a select few...

Cough *Haas* Cough...

How would you work it out for everyone else then... what if you lost 0-6 0-6 1-6 in the first round... would they get any money? :lol:

maybe they could get a share of the tickets that were purchased for each match they play :shrug:

Then again there is an argument for that as if an unexpected player wins the tournament, top players would probably still win more as the unexpected player would nnot have been watched until maybe around the Quarter-Finals...

A set amount it shall be I think! :D

They should definitely get paid on how many more hand gestures they can make at the umpire without him seeing. :D

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who do you reckon would earn the most like this then?

Probably Marat if he could perfect doing it when the umpire's head was turned. Perhaps a quick "Nescafe" hand gesture (for those who don't know what that is it's a clench fisted wrist action signal) as he is unpacking his racket to start with...

I dont know, I think Marat is too volatile to be discreet - he would get spotted all the time.

I think Fed or Henman - they are considered such gents that no-one would suspect them and they would be able to do it at will...

I've never heard it called a Nescafe sign before! I'll remember that one! roflmao

Big up to Haasy for speaking his mind!!! :ok: Plus i agree totally with what he is saying. Glad he is still one ready to share his views and take the abuse rather than so many of the weak sheep these days! Well done Tommy :D

Sorry WA but as far as I'm concerned you are congratulating him for being a sexist pig! You are female right, so I'd expect you not to be too pleased.

And all of you turning against him from some so called "quote" - pathetic roflmao

You expect wrong, I do not find him sexist in the least.