Title: Aaaarggh! I'm getting so sick of hearing this?!!!
trisco - February 2, 2007 03:34 PM (GMT)
Religious leaders are calling for calm among Birmingham's Muslims as police investigate an alleged kidnapping plot.
Detectives have been granted more time to question nine men arrested on Wednesday on suspicion of planning to kidnap and murder a UK Muslim soldier.
About 3,500 worshippers attended prayers at the city's Central Mosque.
Chairman Dr Mohammed Naseem said Muslims felt "persecuted unjustly" by the government for political ends but urged them to control their anger.
He said some in the community resented the way the raids were carried out and opposed laws allowing terror suspects to be held for up to 28 days without charge.
Speaking outside the mosque, he said the arrests were an example of the government justifying its political agenda.
"They have invented this perception of a threat," he said. "To justify that, they have to maintain incidents to prove something is going on.
"There is dismay and people feel they are being persecuted unjustly."
Earlier, he told BBC News that people should stay calm.
"The highest achievers are those who contain their anger," he said.
In the meantime, the West Midlands force has been trying to reassure Muslims that the arrests were targeted at criminals - not a particular faith or community.
Some 5,000 leaflets translated from English into Punjabi, Hindi, Bengali and Urdu have been handed out explaining the operation and appealing for patience.
The nine men were arrested under the Terrorism Act over what security sources say was a plan to film an execution-style murder of a British soldier and post it on the web.
Police swooped on homes and commercial premises in Sparkhill, Alum Rock, Kingstanding and Edgbaston in a series of early morning raids, arresting eight men.
Less than 12 hours later they arrested a ninth on a motorway in the Birmingham area.
Since then, forensic teams have been combing all 12 addresses, as police question the men in an investigation they say could take "days, if not weeks".
On Thursday, a district judge granted police a seven-day extension to continue interviewing the suspects.
Under new terror laws, police can apply in court for a series of extensions up to 28 days.
trisco - February 2, 2007 03:37 PM (GMT)
FFS!!
The Police are just doing their job! AAaaarrggh!! They obviously don't going around making this s*it up!! They are acting on information. Why the hell is the Muslim community up in arms???
I wouldn't give a toss if I lived in a Muslim country where Christians were the minority and the police arrested Christians who they had reason to believe could be endangering the life of anyone!! Whether Muslim, Christian, Scientoligenarianist, Jedi!
Grrr...
I hate all this religious tension thats around at the moment. Why the heck is it in outr faces 24/7!
POSCARS HOST - February 2, 2007 03:59 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (trisco @ Feb 2 2007, 03:37 PM) |
FFS!!
The Police are just doing their job! AAaaarrggh!! They obviously don't going around making this s*it up!! They are acting on information. Why the hell is the Muslim community up in arms???
I wouldn't give a toss if I lived in a Muslim country where Christians were the minority and the police arrested Christians who they had reason to believe could be endangering the life of anyone!! Whether Muslim, Christian, Scientoligenarianist, Jedi!
Grrr...
I hate all this religious tension thats around at the moment. Why the heck is it in outr faces 24/7! |
Tell me about it...
I blame the media though, they pick up closely on everything and give the 'muslim community' (the ones who moan are in a minority but they moan LOUD), something else to get on their high horse about.
In fact I blame the media for stirring up a lot of the bad things in the world today :( :angry:
SuperBRAT - February 2, 2007 05:46 PM (GMT)
Well I'm not a Muslim myself but I can understand why many may feel persecuted, and I can also understand why you are pissed off too Trisco. I know the police have a job to do, and on the necessities of this particular operation I can't comment as I don't know what was behind it all. But in general over recent years the police have pretty much been right in the face fo the Muslim community, whether for good reason or not. I've becoem quite shocked at how often I see a police presence in Southall these days, purely because it is an Asian (and therefore partly Muslim ) area. They are often holding up traffic, especially during religous festivals, and searching the odd person at random. Thign is they never search me, they always search men that are likely to be practicing that religion, and this does annoy people. I eat weekly in a restaurnt owned by a Muslim and I've heard a lot of stories from customers and staff about police picking on them for the sake of it. It does rile innocent people and you cant; expect them to feel happy about it. Then again, on the other side there are Muslim groups who make far too much fuss and use this to bring attention and sympathy to their cause which is wrong. A lot of this is not necessarily to do with terrorist threats, and the police are nto acting on information received, just stepping up policing in Asian and Muslim areas. Tbh, I feel safer in areas populated by Muslims than I do predominantly white estates/areas.
POSCARS HOST - February 2, 2007 08:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 05:46 PM) |
| Well I'm not a Muslim myself but I can understand why many may feel persecuted, and I can also understand why you are pissed off too Trisco. I know the police have a job to do, and on the necessities of this particular operation I can't comment as I don't know what was behind it all. But in general over recent years the police have pretty much been right in the face fo the Muslim community, whether for good reason or not. I've becoem quite shocked at how often I see a police presence in Southall these days, purely because it is an Asian (and therefore partly Muslim ) area. They are often holding up traffic, especially during religous festivals, and searching the odd person at random. Thign is they never search me, they always search men that are likely to be practicing that religion, and this does annoy people. I eat weekly in a restaurnt owned by a Muslim and I've heard a lot of stories from customers and staff about police picking on them for the sake of it. It does rile innocent people and you cant; expect them to feel happy about it. Then again, on the other side there are Muslim groups who make far too much fuss and use this to bring attention and sympathy to their cause which is wrong. A lot of this is not necessarily to do with terrorist threats, and the police are nto acting on information received, just stepping up policing in Asian and Muslim areas. Tbh, I feel safer in areas populated by Muslims than I do predominantly white estates/areas. |
Hey that last line is never truer SB - I would feel much safer surrounded by 'foreigners' than some of our own scum! roflmao
Tunisia is a fantastic eye-opening place to go if you ever want to find what most muslims are REALLY like - they have a brilliant smutty sense of humour, I know that roflmao
SuperBRAT - February 2, 2007 08:11 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (POSCARS HOST @ Feb 2 2007, 08:06 PM) |
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 05:46 PM) | | Well I'm not a Muslim myself but I can understand why many may feel persecuted, and I can also understand why you are pissed off too Trisco. I know the police have a job to do, and on the necessities of this particular operation I can't comment as I don't know what was behind it all. But in general over recent years the police have pretty much been right in the face fo the Muslim community, whether for good reason or not. I've becoem quite shocked at how often I see a police presence in Southall these days, purely because it is an Asian (and therefore partly Muslim ) area. They are often holding up traffic, especially during religous festivals, and searching the odd person at random. Thign is they never search me, they always search men that are likely to be practicing that religion, and this does annoy people. I eat weekly in a restaurnt owned by a Muslim and I've heard a lot of stories from customers and staff about police picking on them for the sake of it. It does rile innocent people and you cant; expect them to feel happy about it. Then again, on the other side there are Muslim groups who make far too much fuss and use this to bring attention and sympathy to their cause which is wrong. A lot of this is not necessarily to do with terrorist threats, and the police are nto acting on information received, just stepping up policing in Asian and Muslim areas. Tbh, I feel safer in areas populated by Muslims than I do predominantly white estates/areas. |
Hey that last line is never truer SB - I would feel much safer surrounded by 'foreigners' than some of our own scum! roflmao
Tunisia is a fantastic eye-opening place to go if you ever want to find what most muslims are REALLY like - they have a brilliant smutty sense of humour, I know that roflmao
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Yes and they drink all the time! roflmao
Seriously though I would not call Tunisia safe, least not for foreign women. You do need to be careful and not go too far off the beaten track. And even on the beaten track, you have to be wary as me and my mate discovered having a few narrow escapes. Having said all of that though, there is generally less anti social behaviour than there is here.
POSCARS HOST - February 2, 2007 08:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 08:11 PM) |
| QUOTE (POSCARS HOST @ Feb 2 2007, 08:06 PM) | | QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 05:46 PM) | | Well I'm not a Muslim myself but I can understand why many may feel persecuted, and I can also understand why you are pissed off too Trisco. I know the police have a job to do, and on the necessities of this particular operation I can't comment as I don't know what was behind it all. But in general over recent years the police have pretty much been right in the face fo the Muslim community, whether for good reason or not. I've becoem quite shocked at how often I see a police presence in Southall these days, purely because it is an Asian (and therefore partly Muslim ) area. They are often holding up traffic, especially during religous festivals, and searching the odd person at random. Thign is they never search me, they always search men that are likely to be practicing that religion, and this does annoy people. I eat weekly in a restaurnt owned by a Muslim and I've heard a lot of stories from customers and staff about police picking on them for the sake of it. It does rile innocent people and you cant; expect them to feel happy about it. Then again, on the other side there are Muslim groups who make far too much fuss and use this to bring attention and sympathy to their cause which is wrong. A lot of this is not necessarily to do with terrorist threats, and the police are nto acting on information received, just stepping up policing in Asian and Muslim areas. Tbh, I feel safer in areas populated by Muslims than I do predominantly white estates/areas. |
Hey that last line is never truer SB - I would feel much safer surrounded by 'foreigners' than some of our own scum! roflmao
Tunisia is a fantastic eye-opening place to go if you ever want to find what most muslims are REALLY like - they have a brilliant smutty sense of humour, I know that roflmao
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Yes and they drink all the time! roflmao
Seriously though I would not call Tunisia safe, least not for foreign women. You do need to be careful and not go too far off the beaten track. And even on the beaten track, you have to be wary as me and my mate discovered having a few narrow escapes. Having said all of that though, there is generally less anti social behaviour than there is here.
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foreign women are not entirely safe you're right - especially at night.
But then look at the UK, go through some place at night and it's exactly the same. Also remember that the UK is far more densely populated than Tunisia - In Tunisia there are main towns, but few 'villages' in between
SuperBRAT - February 2, 2007 08:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (POSCARS HOST @ Feb 2 2007, 08:15 PM) |
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 08:11 PM) | | QUOTE (POSCARS HOST @ Feb 2 2007, 08:06 PM) | | QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 05:46 PM) | | Well I'm not a Muslim myself but I can understand why many may feel persecuted, and I can also understand why you are pissed off too Trisco. I know the police have a job to do, and on the necessities of this particular operation I can't comment as I don't know what was behind it all. But in general over recent years the police have pretty much been right in the face fo the Muslim community, whether for good reason or not. I've becoem quite shocked at how often I see a police presence in Southall these days, purely because it is an Asian (and therefore partly Muslim ) area. They are often holding up traffic, especially during religous festivals, and searching the odd person at random. Thign is they never search me, they always search men that are likely to be practicing that religion, and this does annoy people. I eat weekly in a restaurnt owned by a Muslim and I've heard a lot of stories from customers and staff about police picking on them for the sake of it. It does rile innocent people and you cant; expect them to feel happy about it. Then again, on the other side there are Muslim groups who make far too much fuss and use this to bring attention and sympathy to their cause which is wrong. A lot of this is not necessarily to do with terrorist threats, and the police are nto acting on information received, just stepping up policing in Asian and Muslim areas. Tbh, I feel safer in areas populated by Muslims than I do predominantly white estates/areas. |
Hey that last line is never truer SB - I would feel much safer surrounded by 'foreigners' than some of our own scum! roflmao
Tunisia is a fantastic eye-opening place to go if you ever want to find what most muslims are REALLY like - they have a brilliant smutty sense of humour, I know that roflmao
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Yes and they drink all the time! roflmao
Seriously though I would not call Tunisia safe, least not for foreign women. You do need to be careful and not go too far off the beaten track. And even on the beaten track, you have to be wary as me and my mate discovered having a few narrow escapes. Having said all of that though, there is generally less anti social behaviour than there is here.
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foreign are not entirely safe you're right - especially at night.
But then look at the UK, go through some place at night and it's exactly the same. Also remember that the UK is far more densely populated than Tunisia - In Tunisia there are main towns, but few 'villages' in between
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True. Foreign women arent; always safe in the day either. trust me I had a bloody near miss that I dont; want to go into. And th epolice don't treat you well either, they assume you are a prostitute or something if you complain that blokes have tried it on like. Managed to get to my mate just in time in a hotel club one night just as matey boy from the local shop was trying to persuade her to walk on the beach. We had this mad gay Scouser man from the navy in our hotel and he came out with us every night as a kind of chaperone just in case. Trouble is he would not stop chasing men himself, such a tart he was. roflmao
petalp - February 2, 2007 08:24 PM (GMT)
Well.. I think that this sort of thing will rear its ugly head from time to time, depending on which minority is deemed a 'public enemy'. At the moment it is the Muslim community, in the past it has been Pakistani, Indian, West Indian. Think of the Brixton/ Handsworth riots in the 80s, the tensions in Blackburn, Bradford in the late 90s/00s. And it was even worse in many respects in the 60s and early 70s..
And the thing is, these communities are pretty tight knit and will close ranks when they feel picked on. There's two sides to the coin here, and bad apples that will give any set up a bad name.
But I would say that this little island does pretty well at integrating. I just wish that the UK wouldn't align itself to the US's war on terror as I reckon that this is creating resentment. No disrespect to the US, but their government is hawkish, gung ho, and we are being tarred by association imo. And i'd say that this sort of thing is a by-product of that. :(
I agree Trisco that it can be exasperating. Unfortunately again stories of police being overtly "attentive" to minorities does create suspicion, and sadly it can be deeply rooted. But I'd still maintain that on balance, it's more integrated/ harmonious than many other multicultural societies. Would just hope that this sort of thing becomes less of an issue over time. I would be horrified if it were sowing the seeds of the re-emergence of right wing groups, as has been happening in France, Germany, Italy..
POSCARS HOST - February 2, 2007 08:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 08:23 PM) |
| QUOTE (POSCARS HOST @ Feb 2 2007, 08:15 PM) | | QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 08:11 PM) | | QUOTE (POSCARS HOST @ Feb 2 2007, 08:06 PM) | | QUOTE (SuperBRAT @ Feb 2 2007, 05:46 PM) | | Well I'm not a Muslim myself but I can understand why many may feel persecuted, and I can also understand why you are pissed off too Trisco. I know the police have a job to do, and on the necessities of this particular operation I can't comment as I don't know what was behind it all. But in general over recent years the police have pretty much been right in the face fo the Muslim community, whether for good reason or not. I've becoem quite shocked at how often I see a police presence in Southall these days, purely because it is an Asian (and therefore partly Muslim ) area. They are often holding up traffic, especially during religous festivals, and searching the odd person at random. Thign is they never search me, they always search men that are likely to be practicing that religion, and this does annoy people. I eat weekly in a restaurnt owned by a Muslim and I've heard a lot of stories from customers and staff about police picking on them for the sake of it. It does rile innocent people and you cant; expect them to feel happy about it. Then again, on the other side there are Muslim groups who make far too much fuss and use this to bring attention and sympathy to their cause which is wrong. A lot of this is not necessarily to do with terrorist threats, and the police are nto acting on information received, just stepping up policing in Asian and Muslim areas. Tbh, I feel safer in areas populated by Muslims than I do predominantly white estates/areas. |
Hey that last line is never truer SB - I would feel much safer surrounded by 'foreigners' than some of our own scum! roflmao
Tunisia is a fantastic eye-opening place to go if you ever want to find what most muslims are REALLY like - they have a brilliant smutty sense of humour, I know that roflmao
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Yes and they drink all the time! roflmao
Seriously though I would not call Tunisia safe, least not for foreign women. You do need to be careful and not go too far off the beaten track. And even on the beaten track, you have to be wary as me and my mate discovered having a few narrow escapes. Having said all of that though, there is generally less anti social behaviour than there is here.
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foreign are not entirely safe you're right - especially at night.
But then look at the UK, go through some place at night and it's exactly the same. Also remember that the UK is far more densely populated than Tunisia - In Tunisia there are main towns, but few 'villages' in between
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True. Foreign women arent; always safe in the day either. trust me I had a bloody near miss that I dont; want to go into. And th epolice don't treat you well either, they assume you are a prostitute or something if you complain that blokes have tried it on like. Managed to get to my mate just in time in a hotel club one night just as matey boy from the local shop was trying to persuade her to walk on the beach. We had this mad gay Scouser man from the navy in our hotel and he came out with us every night as a kind of chaperone just in case. Trouble is he would not stop chasing men himself, such a tart he was. roflmao
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I have a tale from Xmas when we went to the marvellous Colosseum at El Jem.
We were on a coach trip, and just walking back to the Bus rom the colosseum. Me and my mum were talking to this old lady when A tunisian bloke came to her with a wooden pipe, gave it to her and said "for you madam, free"
Of course it wasn't, and he practically begged, before she opened her wallet and pulled a coin out. He tried to pinch her wallet just like that, but didn't bank on me being ready right behind him! I grabbed him and he gave the wallet back and ran off roflmao
He shat himself when I grabbed him! roflmao roflmao roflmao
SuperBRAT - February 2, 2007 08:40 PM (GMT)
I've never seem El Jem, the damned trip was the day we arrived and we missed it. :( I have seen Kirouan 3rd most important Muslim mosque, which was a real experience. Esp as it snowed slightly! :o
I had my bad stolen in a club. Me and my mate decided to throw a real drama queen strop at the bar over this and the manager came over and assured us we'd be safe in future from thieves. he allowed us to leave out purses behind the bar, we'd count our money before and after every transaction. He had everyone searched in there too, but it was too late. And he siad we coudl come in for free as well and treated us like Royalty becasue he was scared of losing our custom. I've only been pickpocket twice in 41 years and that was one time - very quick they were too. The people are so poor though, I felt bad moaning over a few dinars.
trisco - February 3, 2007 04:40 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (petalp @ Feb 2 2007, 08:24 PM) |
Well.. I think that this sort of thing will rear its ugly head from time to time, depending on which minority is deemed a 'public enemy'. At the moment it is the Muslim community, in the past it has been Pakistani, Indian, West Indian. Think of the Brixton/ Handsworth riots in the 80s, the tensions in Blackburn, Bradford in the late 90s/00s. And it was even worse in many respects in the 60s and early 70s..
And the thing is, these communities are pretty tight knit and will close ranks when they feel picked on. There's two sides to the coin here, and bad apples that will give any set up a bad name.
But I would say that this little island does pretty well at integrating. I just wish that the UK wouldn't align itself to the US's war on terror as I reckon that this is creating resentment. No disrespect to the US, but their government is hawkish, gung ho, and we are being tarred by association imo. And i'd say that this sort of thing is a by-product of that. :(
I agree Trisco that it can be exasperating. Unfortunately again stories of police being overtly "attentive" to minorities does create suspicion, and sadly it can be deeply rooted. But I'd still maintain that on balance, it's more integrated/ harmonious than many other multicultural societies. Would just hope that this sort of thing becomes less of an issue over time. I would be horrified if it were sowing the seeds of the re-emergence of right wing groups, as has been happening in France, Germany, Italy.. |
Its not hard to see this sort of thing happening PP, you are completely right .... in terms of right wing etc.. but,
Is it just me or does the media seem to absolutely priorititse any news like this?
I get so fed up and depressed by hearing this??
Am I racist by thinking this in terms of why give this sort of news publicity? I know there are two sides to every coin and can understand completely a Muslim communities point of view but...... I just wish people would shut the f up about it. I am sick to the back teeth of hearing about any racial tension and any news that could cause this sort of divide! Well, by saying that I mean news that has a major impact in terms of how a person of any religion lives their own life....
Grrr... Just shut up and get along!
I know I am being quite slack by saying that but everyone I speak to at the mo thinks the same.... Christian, Muslim whatever... :angry:
I am gonna leave this conversation as it will make me quite annoyed.. probs through ignorance in many peoples eyes but hey.....
None of this is aimed at you BTW Petalp! In terms of disagreeing with ya. :) Just that I liked your comment.. :D