Just played a 3000 pts game of cities of death, (which was by the way bloody good fun) with my nids vs a csm nurgle army (very termie heavy) my opponent took two landraiders, which failed to wound anything with their lascannons (the 4+covers did help a lot) and he moanded a great deal about them.

This has lead me to ask you guys this question.

Land raiders, are they worth the 250 pts and the 30 quid?

Fail to wound? Or fail to kill. Failing to wound with lascannon is just sucky dice rolling. Failing to kill due to 4+ cover saves is very different. ;)

I would say the standard Raider isn't worth the hassle in Cities of Death: the benefits to infantry make a devastator squad with 4 lascannon a much better bet. Plus trying to drive anywhere on a CoD board is likely to be hazardous.

Taking a Crusader or the Prometheus variant would be much more worth while. The Crusader's Terminator-in-a-box abilitycan be imensely useful, along with the volume of fire it can provide. The Prometheus is simply a lot of heavy bolters on tracks, so it would be able to deal with nids quite well, cover saves notwithstanding.

Failed to make any wounds stick then, though it only wounded a few times too.

That would mostly be your opponent's die rolling, then. Though, I am enclined to prefer the Crusader variant, due to the higher ammount of fire it can dish out, as opposed to the standard. Though twin-linked lascannons shouldn't miss much...

And i have to say, why would you need more bolter fire in a marine army? thats the primary reason that i dont like crusaders.

For me, I like the high, concentrated volume to soften up the enemy before I let my assaulting squad out to rip the foe a new one. It allows me to spread my fire more evenly over the enemy front (something in limited supply with a Space Wolf army), and so I can soften up not only the squad I'm assaulting, but those that would jump in to help the weakened foe.

Twin linked assault cannon aswell softens the enemy up a treat, use machine spirit at bs2 to maximise rending hits.. lovely.

standrard raiders are Gash though and never worth it..

No, the armour is a nice thing to have, and the lascannons really chew through tank-heavy Imp Guard, though the Landraider needs every bit of it's 14s to survive long against a lot of heavy duty firepower directed it's way.

for roughly the same price you get a predator with lascannons, a rhino/razorback and a teleport homer.. all of these perform their jobs more efficiently than the reaider and provide more than 1 target

And that is true, though the 14 armour can take a beating from things that would shred those tanks with out blinking, so I guess it's up to preferance.

Used to play black Templars with main opponent imperial guard. Having a crusader was good fopr mowing down squads but i generally took a standard variant to deal with tanks. Not really worth thre points though, i'd go for a predator.